Antisemitic clearly means anti-Jewish. Sure it technically means all Semitic people, and as such a better word could have been used so long ago, but it's intended and in use meaning today is very clearly defined. Jewish people have been some of the biggest victims of Middle Eastern and European hate for thousands of years.
Islamophobia is much more prevalent in the west than antijudaism. There is islamophobia on a systemic level. And lets not pretend that it's directed only at muslims but arabs in general. Crying "antisemitism!!" about an indigenous armed resistance movement is the #alllivesmatter of this conflict.
not to be rude, but how is this different than #AllLivesMatter or "I don't see color" kinds of statements? Egalitarian movements are also involved in movements of justice, it's not like racism or sexism will be eradicated without recognizing race and sex ...
I don't think this meme is suggesting matriarchy is the solution, but it is pointing out a way of thinking about matriarchy that is patriarchal. Responding to that in your way comes across as anti-egalitarian, or at the very least blind to the context.
@RememberUsAlways Well there's the problem. When someone speaks facts you don't like it's "spreading hate" but when the Left spreads hate by calling people "Nazi" and "fascist" it's "speaking our truth."
You couldn't prove the man wrong so you killed the man. You know what that's called? Fascism. Not debating college kids on campus, which is what Charlie did.
You can't have it both ways and we're sick of the hatred and depravity you people spout in every direction.
So apparently for lemmy.world mods pointing out that the word "anti-semite" is far more used than "antigypsyism, anti-Romanyism, antiziganism, ziganophobia, or Romaphobia” even though the Nazis targetted both Jews and Roma in the Holocaust, is, somehow, "Criticizing Jewish people as a whole". ...
NOTE: I only after already writing all this noticed you weren't OP poking me with a second comment, which sort of sent me into a bit of an emotionally laden wall-of-text, because truth be told, I am not all that well at the moment. I will still leave the text as-is, but of course, some of the points or the overall tone is not fair as being directed towards you. I do agree, more broadly, that the Porajmos is underappreciated. I do still maintain, that antisemitism was much more central to Nazi ideology, and their attempts to eliminate Jews were much more driven and fanatical, however.
I really do not want to get into this much further, I have an easier day today, but I am definitely not stress resistant enough at the moment to go into large and long-lasting internet arguments about a topic like this - but I think you are missing why people were disagreeing with you. I can cherry-pick facts from articles too. From the same you posted, which I reviewed before posting my original comment:
For the Jews it was total and everyone knew this—from bankers to pawnbrokers. For the Roma it was selective and not comprehensive. The Roma were only exterminated in a few parts of Europe such as Poland, the Netherlands, Germany and France. In Romania and much of the Balkans, only nomadic Roma and social outcast Roma were deported. This matters and influences the Roma mentality.
Or:
Initially, there was disagreement within the Nazi circles about how to solve the "Gypsy Question". In late 1939 and early 1940, Hans Frank, the General Governor of occupied Poland, refused to accept the 30,000 German and Austrian Roma which were to be deported to his territory. Heinrich Himmler "lobbied to save a handful of pure-blooded Roma", whom he believed to be an ancient Aryan people for his "ethnic reservation", but was opposed by Martin Bormann, who favored deportation for all Roma.
Such a discussion and disagreement all the way up to Himmler would have been completely unthinkable to Nazi ideology to have with Jewish people in the same way. Just imagine Himmler saying, some select Jews should be preserved for their worth as a race. Antisemitism dripped from every facet of Nazi ideology, it was absolutely central, and their efforts to exterminate Jews were going above and beyond all rationality. Them just being in the same category (as I said, both "rootless" and "parasitic", thusly seen as incompatible with nation states) does not mean they were viewed in the exact same way in practice.
You are also missing the point on where you are crossing lines. This is not about antiziganism not being a more pressing issue in many European countries concerning their present politics, it absolutely is, especially but not only in many Easter European states - and it has definitely been addressed in a worse way, the pitiful and late reparations given are a good indication for that.
This is not about that issue not being a fact, it is about you using that to downplay antisemitism and antisemitic structures, which are also still very much alive, and downplaying their absolutely essential and central role in Nazi ideology historically. That is the issue. Even if you did not intend to do it, you reproduced antisemitic dog-whistling and whataboutism.
And even though in some countries it is less than antiziganism for sure (even though - sidenote, a very numbing part of reality is, that antisemitism has been reduced more thoroughly from parts of Europe, because Jews where wiped out and displaced more thoroughly by the Nazis, so there were none left to reproduce the old stereotypes against in everyday live afterwards), and some organisations have wrongly utilised the term "antisemitism" to try and silence opposition - writing out "anti-semitism" in quotes, essentially doing a "but #alllivesmatter" thing about races. That is classic downplaying behaviour.
Antisemitic crimes are well and alive, I know only the statistics for Germany, and not off the top of my head, and I don't have the strength to look those up now, too - but even just casual shit like swastikas spray painted on historical Jewish graveyards (is a regular occurrence around where I live) or videos going viral of some dude off the street saying "I am against Nazis, but I think Hitler did some stuff right concerning some people, you know which ones I mean." - things like that still happen. Hell, Jewish spaces here in Germany are often ridiculously in need of security and high walls, and that is not all just their paranoia - there have been terrorist attacks on them, e.g. in Halle not too long ago for one attack that made bigger news. There have been people wearing the Kippa attacked in the street. That all happens.
Also: Analysing how fascist elements are active in Israel, and some structures have fascist characteristics is completely okay. Resolutely claiming them to be "Nazis" is at best blind towards history and Nazism, and how it actually played out and what its ideological foundations were/are - and at worst, an actual antisemitic dogwhistle you have, I hope accidentally, reproduced.
And again: This is part of a century old history, reproduced from generation to generation, and cause of one of the most horrid crimes committed against humanity - which is why the things you said are indistuingishable from dog whistles and concern trolling and, yes, antisemitism. I truly believe you did not want to communicate it like this, but you did reproduce the same arguments. And it is possible to try and bring across those points without crossing those lines.
I really can't invest much more energy into this, but it seems you are still emotionally invested in your comments getting removed, hence me getting poked with a stick after your first answer. Which is why I did not want to write anything at first, but I hope, even though I must admit, I was getting a bit dismissively emotional there, I could still bring across better what the actual problem was. I don't think I will have another answer in me, especially since probably no one but us two will be reading it anyway days after the fact.
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