Donald Trump made clear that his personal grudge with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky hasn’t abated during a phone interview with NBC News.

Speaking with Meet the Press anchor Kristen Welker on Saturday, the president knocked Zelensky for offering assistance to the U.S. and Middle Eastern countries, the latter of which the Ukrainian president said on Friday were seeking his aid in sharing drone detection technology.

The “last person we need help from is Zelensky,” Trump told Welker.

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        I have no doubt they happened as random hand gestures, but they were not rock paper scissoring. The only thing that looks exactly like an intentional rock-paper-scissor would be the left picture, but just indicating “two” could look like that.

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    Why would Zelensky even bother?
    Its clear Tramp is no ally.

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      But Iran is a Russian supplier, so strategically, the more US can burn through Iran military capability, the less they have to give to Russia.

      Also, the longer the strait is blocked, the better Russia can do in the fossil fuel export situation. So Iran suffering military losses and the strait being open as soon as possible are also strategic imperatives for Ukraine.

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      No point reasoning with trump, no point pushing him away.

      He is doing the smart thing - milking trump of every last drop of military aid that he can get.

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      At this point I think Zelensky just is doing whatever he thinks he can to try to stop any changes of the US changing sides and teaming with Russia

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        stop any changes of the US changing sides and teaming with Russia

        Too late.

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    Unbelievable…Trump’s would rather save his ego than let Ukraine help save American lives.

    My brother in-law actually has a diagnosed personality disorder and the way Trump behaves, especially while under duress, is identical to how my brother in-law would react.

    If Trump indeed suffers from a personality disorder, which I am convinced is the case, then he is literally incapable of backing down.

    This is an absolute nightmare scenario for the US. Trump won’t stop until he is forced to stop. We will see Trump make even more crucial mistakes and see him try and escalate this as far as he possible can.

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      Is it still considered a disorder when it is someone’s whole personality? If you removed the perpetual rage, the extreme narcissism and the bullying I think you would only find an orange stain on the floor where Trump was.

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        Personality disorders are controversial in psychology. But yes they are considered legitimate.

        Patterns of specific maladaptive traits and behaviors that are consistent across the lifespan.

        Personality disorder types are specific clusters of symptoms/traits/behaviors.

        I’m personally on the fence if personalities can be categorized very much. People are very unique in their traits and levels of traits.

        Except for people with high narcissism and dark triad traits (anti-social traits like manipulation , lack of empathy, vindictiveness, impulsivity).

        These are just ruthless egotistical people who all behave the same. Just incredibly selfish and cruel.

        Estimated to be ~5% of them in the general population with some professions having very high instances. Like lawyers and CEOs.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

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      There is a phenomenon called “self handicapping”. And everyone does it a little at least a few times but it’s typically a behavior that’s considered poor.

      Here is an example of how it works.

      Let’s say you have a big exam tomorrow. And you fucked around , didn’t study. You knew about it weeks ago. You know you are going to fail it. But. Instead of spending that last evening cramming as much as possible to make up for procrastinating to maybe have a small chance of passing it, you decide to go to a bar and get shit faced.

      The next day you don’t even show up to class.

      You blame failing the class on the alcohol. Instead of your inability to prioritize your education or your own intelligence.

      It was the alcohol. Not your own ability to pass. You probably would have aced it actually. If you hadn’t been hungover.

      So this is a way to save face and preserve a sense of self superiority.

      People who are narcissistic do this almost constantly. They never fail. No , not them. It’s always some external cause that their plans didn’t work.

      They intentionally set up multiple barriers so that they can always fall back on those.

      Trump does the same,

      For instance. Tarriffs. He can claim he has a plan to fix the economy with tarriffs but Congress won’t let him. So we won’t ever know how great of a plan it was. It totally would have worked. It just needed a little more time.

      But. often the obstacle isn’t doing its job.

      Example. Trump starts war. It’s going badly. He won’t pull out until Congress forces him. Then he can say "we were winning. My plan was great they just wouldn’t let me see it through.

      He wants Congress to stop it. He has wanted Congress and the supreme Court to stop most of the b.s. So he can claim they were good plans but someone else fucked it up.

      He did this all through his first term too. It’s how people like him function.

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      He recently stated that he wants to bomb Khark Island “Just for fun.”

      While this is a bald-faced lie to cover up for the fact that their earlier strikes weren’t as successful as claimed, just think about what kind of lie he was willing to tell; to him, the idea of putting Americans in harm’s way “just for fun” seems completely reasonable.

      He literally does not care about the lives of the people who swore an oath to serve, to the point where he cannot even conceive of the notion that anyone else would.

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      Someone like Trump would rather launch all the nukes in the world and force everyone else to do the same than even give a politician’s back down (I.E. what Ronald Reagan did after the barracks bombing in Lebanon in 1982).

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      In Trump’s case, he might just be a spoiled brat, honestly. Or it could be a disorder.

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      Trump’s would rather save his ego

      Trump’s ego is the thing he values most of all.

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      If Trump indeed suffers from a personality disorder,

      Don’t give him excuses, he’s a sociopath.

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    This makes complete sense to me. If you think you are the most powerful man in the world, controlling the worlds biggest military, then an offer to help from a much smaller country who has been asking for your help for years, is going to be seen as an insult. It’s basically just his fragile ego, refusing to admit that the country with the most modern combat experience against IRANIAN drones is going to be of any help.

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      Meanwhile all of Ukraine’s real allies took them up on this offer ages ago. I know for a fact that they’ve been training Canadians on anti-drone warfare pretty much since the war started. Ukraine has asked nothing in return for this, it’s just the kind of thing you do for your allies when you understand alliances as bonds of solidarity that benefit both parties, and not something to be exploited.

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      At the same time, he’s demanding “allies” commit ships to his stupid war.

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        Those “allies” should tell him that Ukrainian antidrone defenses would be of more help than their ships. And then commit more to the defense of Ukraine, because that’s a far more important matter than bailing Trump out of his self-chosen disaster.

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      We all know that temporary relief is going to become permanent economic reintigration is going to become economic support is going to become military support.

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      I’m going to build the Trump Bering Strait Bridge, it’ll be the longest bridge in the world, most advanced technology, nothing like this has ever been done before, it’ll be beautiful, look - curtains!

      Trump in a couple of months.

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      Hasn’t he done that already? What is the US doing to help Ukraine at this point?

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      Zelensky was the proximate cause of Trump’s first impeachment, right? The perfect phone call?

      I need you to do is a favor, though.

      I think that Trump does have a grudge against Zelensky.

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        The fact that Trump hates him is probably pretty good evidence that at least he’s not corrupt enough to suit Trump. I’m wary of any politician that Trump loves. Although there are two notable exceptions to that rule: Zoran Mamdani and Alexander Stubb. No idea how they do it.

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          Let’s not get ahead of ourselves just because Ukraine is the victim in a conflict. It’s one of the top 3 most corrupt countries on the entire European continent, and sadly, the war only made it worse.

          Of course, we should be treating Ukraine as a potential long-term ally and partner, and helping it defend as well as rebuild itself. However, we cannot ignore its shortcomings. At this point, the Ukrainian government has practically full reign over everything in the country with no oversight at any level.

          Some of it can be blamed on the war, maybe. But absolutely not all of it. Not even half. Corruption is a long running issue in Ukraine, which we should be helping it with, probably after the war ends. If Ukraine wants help, of course. Or if it wants to join the EU, in which case it’d be non-negotiable.

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              France is probably the most educated and politically active population and they still get the same wanker laws being handed down by the same billionaires

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                A secret pedophile ring run by american billionaires and the American government actively defending them and protecting them, because the president himself is a corrupt pedophile, is the most corrupt thing I know of in this day of politics.

                And that’s just the tip of the iceberg of American corruption.

                How many billions in bribes did Trump receive?

                How many international laws did the Trump admin break?

                How many national laws did the Trump admin break?

                How many lies did Trump tell and deceive the population?

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                  Shit I know. I’m watching him rob me blind. Doesn’t change the fact that European politics share financial interests with the evil empire. You guys had no problem investing your pension funds in the bombing. You buy the bombs. Get the fuck outta here. Just watched you all cave to Russia over natural gas prices 🤣

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              I don’t know about top 5, but top 3 would probably consist of Belarus, Hungary and Ukraine, in this order.

              We usually think that Ukraine isn’t severely corrupt, just because it’s western-aligned. But that’s not what corruption means.

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                Are you suggesting Russia is less corrupt?

                I know Ukraine has had many problems with corruption, but at least they’re trying to do something about it. Although unfortunately they do have more pressing matters at the moment. Russia embraces its corruption. As does the US, for that matter.

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                  Are you suggesting Russia is less corrupt?

                  Absolutely not. As a European, I don’t consider Russia as part of Europe in terms of geopolitics.

                  According to a corruption perceptions index someone linked (idk how reliable), Russia is almost at the bottom of the list, so it’d probably be top 1 in Europe.

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                But Ukraine is actively trying to rid itself of corruption? While several others aren’t bothering at all.

                Edit: technically Russia is European. So that should be automatically #1.

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                  But Ukraine is actively trying to rid itself of corruption

                  Is it though? Before the war, its efforts were dissappinting at best. Right now, they’re nonexistent.

                  The Ukrainian government has just recently given the president the ability to hand pick people to oversee the president, effectively dismantling the entire office responsible for overseeing him.

                  Again, in case I failed to convey this point in prior comments, I’m not saying Ukraine is evil or that we should not support it. I’m all for supporting it and having it join the EU in the future, but at the same time I want to highlight the issues it’s facing, both internal and external.

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                Damn you missed out on a bunch of good opportunities. So you’re like 15 years behind on modern history. geography and politics leaves a lot to be desired.

                You’re clearly a college educated American, by this level of knowledge being demonstrated. I’m always thrilled to see the value of those college degrees on display.

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                  You are perfectly welcome to contribute your input, if you have any. Preferably without insinuations or insults, as I’d expect from a well educated person.

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            Ya according to 2013 stats which you guys love to pretend are still relevant and not related to the Russians that had a strangle hold on the government and got thrown out.

            More Russians = more corrupt.

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              2013 stats which you guys love to pretend are still relevant

              Who is ‘you guys’ and what statistics are you referring to?

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                  According to this list Ukraine is the 104th country by corruption (104th least corrupt worldwide), out of 182 countries/territories ranked.

                  Unless I missed something, it also appears to be taking the spot of the top 5 most corrupt country in Europe (not counting Russia, 6th if you do count it), behind only: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Belarus, and Syria.

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                  Consider the subjectivity of a “perceptions” index. And also, based on my own direct experience of corruption while doing business in a few countries, Transparency International’s rankings bore no relationship to what I was seeing. Societies whose elites are skilled at concealing corruption tend to have lower perception rankings than those where the elites are more flagrant, even when the actual corruption is the same in both cases. Not to mention that those doing the reporting are people doing business in those countries, and such people rapidly adapt to the local conditions.

                  I understand that hard data isn’t easy to come by, but using a perceptions index as a proxy is methodologically very questionable.

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        One of the few that aren’t in the Epstein files. These days that’s enough.

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      My Trump is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!

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      Wait just a minute.

      Just because everything he says and does is intended to benefit his Russian masters, it doesnt mean he’s a Russian asset

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          Because Israel did.

          Because the war actually benefits Russia as it gives Trump an excuse to lift sanctions.

          Because his advisors convinced him it was a good idea.

          Trump is narcissistic and mercurial. He will change his mind depending on his mood and opinion about the person whispering in his ear

          In the case of Putin, one minute he is openly admiring him, the next he is criticising him. Then he’s back to appeasing him again. Like with the lifting of sanctions.

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            Because the war actually benefits Russia as it gives Trump an excuse to lift sanctions.

            And it drives up the oil price, which also benefits Russia.

            Once you realize how thoroughly Trump is Putin’s bitch, it all makes sense.

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    Cucked little bitch. Putin’s dick is so far down his throat that he’s able to fuck his breakfast Big Mac.

    I still cannot believe that this pube-flecked chunk of human excrement won a second term. It’s still genuinely sickening to me, like my stomach really feels like I’m perpetually tipping over the apogee of a rollercoaster when I remember what happened. His winning the first term was at least comprehensible, but I’m still punchdrunk from the shock of it all, even after all this time. And I’m not even from the US! I can’t imagine what it feels like for the people who have to live there, especially those who aren’t cis-white-hetero-males.

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      I still cannot believe that this pube-flecked chunk of human excrement won a second term.

      Defund education, control the media, manufacture consent, use others as scapegoats.

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      Anyone who has spent any time in the US shouldn’t be surprised by him winning. It was and is still shockingly frustrating and disappointing, but unfortunately that’s only because it’s an emotionally difficult pill to swallow how awful so much of it is.

      Sort of how no one is surprised when Israel bomb indiscriminately, the US invades/coups/bombs another country, Saudi executes a bunch of people, Russia is excessively brutal, massacres in African conflicts if not genocides and ethnic cleansing that most of the world ignores.

      No matter how predictable, it is always shockingly horrifying, but not surprising.

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        Why do you say that? Americans not caring about democracy and freedom wasn’t on my personal bingo card prior to the 2024 election so it did come as a bit of a shock to me.

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        JFC, HE CHEATED! Everybody knows it! He won EVERY swing states? That’s was pretty much a statistical impossibility. They made no secret of it, both Trump and Musk both said many times that they intended to steal it.

        All they had to do was flip one vote in seven states. That’s how we ended up with MILLIONS of straight Democratic ballots, with Trump at the top. MILLIONS OF THEM! Who does that? Who votes that way? Have you ever met a person who voted straight Democratic, except for Trump? I’ve never met one, and I’ve never seen one on TV. That’s because they don’t exist, not in any significant numbers.

        And the craziest thing is, they ONLY seem to exist in the swing states, because that vote pattern didn’t occur anywhere else.

        But as soon as the polls closed, the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries immediately declared Trump’s victory “fair & square,” abdicating their sworn responsibilities, and condemning America to the political Hell we are being dragged through.

        If it was “fair & square,” it was the first time in his entire life that Trump didn’t cheat, and it is highly doubtful that he would choose the one election that would keep him him out of a life sentence in prison to finally play it straight. Does that sound like the Trump we know?

        Quit doubting America, quit doubting Harris’s campaign, and place the blame where it belongs - on Trump, and his evil cabal of corrupt, treasonous, pedophiles.

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          I always found it extremely gross that nobody even attempted to ask for a single recount. They just rolled over instantly

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          They have shown statistically that this happened in a number of swing states using the same tools that show it in Russia and Belarus.

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    Trump treated Zelensky like a wet rag when he invited him to the whitehouse and Zelensky still willing to offer his first hand knowledge and experience of drone warfare.

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      That’s what being the bigger man truly means. In more ways that one.

      Zelensky is the bigger man in this case. Again, in more ways than one.

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      I think Zelensky is probably looking for some quid pro quo.

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        Obviously. It’s also meant as a “thank you for the support US have given Ukraine, allow us to share what we’ve learned in our drone warfare.”

        But Trumps pride cannot handle that Zelensky might have something to teach the US when it comes to warfare.

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        No, they’ve been actively making this offer to all their allies for a while now. This isn’t recent. Everyone else took them up on it. Not a quid pro quo so much as just being a good friend to their good friends. The US could have been working with them on this for over a year IIRC, but they were too damn proud to accept any help from anyone else.

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          Most of the NATO countries training Ukrainians have been doing this since Day 1 (Mostly UK, Germany and Spain afaik). It’s one of the main reasons to offer continuous training at local bases rather than ‘just’ sending officers to Ukraine.

          This is the first conflict between two modern militaries since the Falklands. And that wasn’t broadly applicable for many many reasons. From a pragmatic point of view, militaries have been absolutely desperate to ingest lessons learned from the moment we started sending our materiel.

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      Buy he want wearing a suit. Difmt you know the suit is the only thing keeping you from looking like a gross pedophile blob?

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        Well, also, strategically any pain for Iran is good for Ukraine, since Iran supplies Russia.

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      Drone warfare? You mean, the kind of warfare “defeated” Iran is using to totally shut down the Strait of Hormuz and which will crush the entire world’s economy in the next few months? That kind of warfare?

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      That’s what being in a fucking pickle means.

      I mean, I’d do the same…

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      It’s really telling how everyone went from “this is an illegal war and it needs to end” to “zelenski is so based for wanting to help America with with the war”

      This obsession American liberals have with zelenski where he seemingly can’t do wrong is so weird. He does a lot wrong, this is one the wrongs. He’s offering to help extend the war and make it significantly more deadly.

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    Did we really expect anything else from the guy who wanted to swap out a 4 star general for a TV host as their minister of defence? Seems to be par for the course.

    Meanwhile, everyone else is looking at Ukraine, taking notes every single day. We now know what the war of tomorrow will look like. That is a rare opportunity. Completely wasted on Americans that think brute force is always the answer.

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      Apparently, we didn’t think brute force was the answer to Russia invading Ukraine, which still makes me sad too.

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      Not just looking and taking notes; being actively trained by Ukraine. They didn’t just make this offer to their allies yesterday. Every other nation that’s been rendering assistance to Ukraine has been actively receiving training in drone warfare from them in return for a while now. The US refused because they were too arrogant to think Ukraine had anything to teach them. And then they started a war with a nation that’s leading the way in cheap combat drones. Drones that Ukraine already knows how to counter.

      And people have died for that arrogance.

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        I know mate, we’ve had Ukrainians here in Sweden sharing their experience of what does and doesn’t work.

        As for Iran. That’s just a whole new level of incompetence. Setting aside Israel attacking water desalination plants, which should be an obvious warcrime. The fact they just started bombing without a plan is mind blowing. Like you said, against a country that have been making the exact drones Ukraine have experience in intercepting. And trump is too proud. Pure hubris

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        I honestly hope Iran manages to ruin a carrier. Not necessary sink it, as too many would die, but just enough damage to have it out of commission for the next 2.5 years.

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    He’s such an ungracious pile of garbage to the point where he’s ok with our allies and citizens dying.

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    lets hope the Devil stops controlling him. And all the other nations can forgive those who voted this nightmare on the world. he wanted a nobel prize lets give him a trophy for starting Armageddon

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      Let’s not. He’s too dumb to understand the context, it could be a trophy made of literal shit and he wouldn’t understand it’s not a celebration of him

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    Of course, that fat bastard in the Oval Office being the running dog for the Kremlin.

    I’m sure it’s an open secret in Ukraine.