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    Zionism is a fundamentalist ideology that Israel is following. Zionism is not a religion it is an evil political fundamentalist ideology that claims supremacy of a particular race. Zionism justifies extermination, oppression, exploitation m and apartheid of those people who do not ethnically align with their supremisist ideology to fulfill their imperial ambitions. As long as the United States keeps giving them a blank check at the expense of the American people this will only get worse as this cancer spreads. Nazism is similar to Zionism as it is a supremisist ideology that justifies imperialist expansion and the systematic extermination of a race of people.

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    Oh you mean the world that is controlled by the US would dare to lobby the US government. Tell me it ain’t so. Here is a fucking idea, if you don’t like it when someone puts their hand in your cookie jar don’t go around putting your hand in everyone else’s cookie jar.

    Aka how dare they interfere with elections, only we are allowed to do that!

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      It wasn’t for Democrats interfering in Russian elections in 1996 Putin wouldn’t be in power right now to be their boogeyman.

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        I didn’t realize US interference with Russia election lead to Yeltsin winning and then handing over power to Putin. Really changes the whole US vs Russia angle when they literally put him in power and made sure he stayed there. Kind of like every regime change turned dictatorship that the US has their fingerprints all over.

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    It is an absolute winning electoral strategy to invalidate the treasonous candidacy of any demonic zionazi warmongering genocidal subhuman piece of shit, with amplification that the more money they raise the more invalid their candidacy.

    Platform shouldn’t be wealth taxes, it should be the financial zeroing out of any candidate and financers of zionist supremacist rule over America.

    We’re all that wrestler with sunglasses movie from the 80s. The lizard people having constitutional protections to rule over us is the moral question of that movie.

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      It can be both, but Israel is the greater threat. Because nearly all politicians are either openly taking up AIPAC money or they’re doing the work for AIPAC for free. And Democrats by and large, take more contributions from AIPAC, From the last election cycle. Seven out of the top 10 were contributions to Democrats

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        From the last election cycle. Seven out of the top 10 were contributions to Democrats

        I believe the DNC was paid by Zionist “donor pressure” to lose to the candidate who wanted “Israel to finish the job” more passionately than a democrat who would say polite things against genocide.

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          But the thing about this is Trump may have said Israel to finish the job, but Biden and Harris had already finished it for him. The picture was literally taken Biden’s last day in office. Biden proudly proclaimed he was a Zionist throughout his political career.

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            but the explicit absolutist passion for it, gave Trump all of the campaign money, and DNC money was just for their candidates to stay quiet about it.

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    I’m sure Russia is interfering, too. Even while they are short of money, they know that every cent spent to buy an American politician is worth a dollar in return. And for some cases, they just use some compromat, so they are even cheaper.

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      I have this crazy idea that being sure of something would mean there’s proof.
      But apparently even the most batshit crazy conspiracy theory level statement is seen as a fact in the case of Russia.
      Like the president from a country supporting a country with weapons, intel, money and whatever is a tool for the country he’s fighting against trough proxy, sanctioning, pirating ships from and committing terrorism against.

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      I’m sure Russia is interfering too

      That might be the case but at this point it’s speculation. We have undeniable definitive proof of Israel interference

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      Only catch is, one of these people is the target of CIA hit squads and the other gets a standing ovation in the US Capital.

      Like, you can’t talk to me about influence peddling and not talk about J-Street. Let me know when Washington DC has an R-Street and we can talk about their relative influence.

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        one of these people is the target of CIA hit squads

        Allegedly. Its not clear to me Trump sees either of these people as opponents. Everything Israel does coordinates with Russias goals, and vice versus. They might not be coordinating but the outcomes might as well be.

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            By putting a mediocre level of effort into paying attention into world events and world politics, and then analyzing those events.

            Its miraculous what putting in even a basic level of effort does. I highly recommend.

            Here’s a visual example that shows how Israel thinks of itself, displaying what I’m talking about (another lemming posted this earlier in the thread, cant for the life of me remember whom):

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              Here’s a visual example

              Everything Israel does coordinates with Russias goals

              :-/

              Oh no! What could this mean?!

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                That Putin doesn’t like being so short. Or you know, he’s really unhappy with not being able to manipulate Obama. Probably short as well.

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      Bruh we’re literally sending billions annually to Israel so they can then turn it around and bribe our politicians to get more.

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        Yeah, Israel’s playing on easy mode. Meanwhile Russia’s got sanctions, their invasion target has enough of an army to fight back, and they still manage to get candidates elected in the US.

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          Looks like you drank the entire bucket of us propaganda. Liberals that see Russia everywhere is to distract you from the failures of their political party. The politicians that screamed Russia the loudest are the ones that had taken the largest amounts of money from AIPAC. Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections.

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            Inside the US, there’s a pretty substantial amount of pro-Russia propaganda. For years the NRA was a dominant force in politics and it was completely compromised by Russia. The current US president is a Russian asset. Etc etc.

            Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections

            I’m not sure about “by far”, but it doesn’t really matter. Two things can be true at the same time. Israel and Russia are both significant threats to the US, both have obtained substantial control over US politicians, and both are threats to their neighbors.

            And also there’s overlap because Israel and Russia are partially aligned. (See for example how reluctant Israel has been to offer any support to Ukraine.)

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              Israel doesn’t support Ukraine because of the war going in Ukraine is in the interest of the US.

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            Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections.

            I think something the Epstein files are showing us is that they’re the same threat.

            Fascists globally, are the threat, regardless of the government they’ve commandeered.

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            Accusing others of falling for propaganda while denying that trump is a russian assett is very funny.

            That’s like denying that israel is committing genocide while israelis very openly call for genocide.

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              denying that trump is a russian assett

              Pro Russia is pro multipolar world is pro China.

              How could Russia trick American billionaires into supporting a candidate that undermines their global ambitions?

              The US billionaires can push for an impeachment at any time. Trump must be their candidate.

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                How could Russia trick American billionaires into supporting a candidate that undermines their global ambitions?

                Simple, by propaganda. Or did you think billionaires were immune? I’d say they are even more vulnerable because they surround themselves with yes men that agree with anything they say. Sprinkle that with a ton of blackmail and you got yourself a russian asset.

                May even use their greed for profit against them, whether it is from the war industry, exotic metals, or plain old deals. They will get their share and destroy democracy if it is in the way.

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                  Maybe a dozen fall for his charm but his gaudy style can’t convince the billionaires like it convinces the masses.

                  American workers can’t unionize at Starbucks. That’s one billionaire. Putin can’t have managed to outwit all 1,000 billionaires.

                  Nothing that Putin can offer can compensate American billionaires for losing hegemonial power.

                  American billionaires destroy democracy. But it is for them, not Putin.

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            Oh, so McCheetoh has no connections to Russia? And Russia clearly has not directly benefited from his actions?

            Don’t get me wrong, AIPAC can burn in the deepest layers of hell; but pretending Russia is harmless is just beyond the pale.

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              A few 100 memes on Facebook didn’t have any impact on elections. Russia didn’t fund TV ads or campaign for him. The Russia hysteria coming from oligarchs is to give you a Boogeyman so they can be your savior

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                It is well known that Russian disinformation campaigns go far beyond that. And frankly, you sound an awful lot like a Russian shill. Kinda hope that’s the case, cause the only other explanation I can fathom is sheer stupidity.

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            Nobody said which threat was larger. But it is absolutely stupid to have such a one-track mind when it comes to danger. Have a little nuance.

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      Russia isn’t “harmless” if we’re having a conversation about capitalist incentives and imperialist interest and how they result in global conflicts were the working class suffer the consequences.

      But if you hear mainstream media start to cry “but Russia” you should see that as a HUGE red flag.

      There is no comparing “Russian Influence” to the extension of US imperialism that is the Israeli colonial project. That’s ridiculous.

      I think the only silly thing we do is pretend that Israel is “controlling America”. No, Israel does the the absolute worst things in the interest of American Imperialism; that even the American oligarchs want to distance themselves from.

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        1. NATO and the USA have lost the Hybrid War launched by Russia in March 2013.

        2. Kremlin brags that only 1% of its online disinformation Hybrid War content has been discovered and removed. 99% flies under the defense radar of Five Eyes (FVEY).

        3. Putin and Surkov called it ‘Operation Matthew 4:19.’ The global manipulation of everyday people included turning social media consumers into Russian assets and deliberately spreading measles and COVID-19 misinformation.

        4. General Philip Breedlove (the military alliance’s top commander) says that Russia is waging “the most amazing information warfare blitzkrieg we have ever seen in the history of information warfare.”

        5. The new Russia doesn’t just deal in the petty disinformation, forgeries, lies, leaks, and cyber-sabotage usually associated with information warfare. It reinvents reality, creating mass hallucinations (SOURCE).

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          NATO and the USA have lost the Hybrid War launched by Russia in March 2013.

          The CIA has unlimited budget, that installed nazis in Georgia (instigated separatist movement within weeks) 2008 and Ukraine (smartly avoided immediate Russian liberation of Donbas seperatism to delay with peace talks) 2014. The hybrid war accusation against Russia is projection for the high intensity propaganda (hybrid war) on the west to support Russophobia.

          Western divisiveness is mostly a function of western wackos. Be angry at the wackos without making you try to hate Russia instead of the wackos.

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            I mean, he’s citing sources, you’re just whining. Put your sources up if you want anyone to listen to you.

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                I mean dude, you made a Lemmy post of an instagram post of a Twitter post of a news article headline. Not exactly authoritative either. Don’t be a fucking hypocrite.

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        Reading comprehension please. Did I say they were equal? Did I say they used the same methods?

        Think for a moment before you respond. Your incapability to reason critically about this topic makes your argument look weak even though I’m fucking agreeing with you.

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    2 things can be true at the same time. I would not expect someone like op to be able to realize this though.

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    Surely when there is such an outrageous way to interfere in a country’s elections, some foreign actors will definitely try to take advantage of it (and thank US for making their job to easier). To put another way, with such mechanisms in place, only way foreign powers does not try to influence elections is if foreign countries don’t care about the elections in US (and we know better).

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      Russia and china would rely on half truths and propaganda to do it. Israeli lobby simoly pay hundred of millions to politicians to influence elections. It is not the same

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        Information is as powerful as money. I am guessing you can probably blackmail some politicians into submission by threatening to release to the world, say, their pedophilic affairs.

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        LOL zionist lie when they open their mouth.
        But thanks for you 2 shekels input hasbara man.

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          How the hell is it hasbara to say that zionists are paying american politicians so they can support genocide?

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            Sorry I was trying to be funny. I will attempt to explain more seriously.

            Tankies are supposed “communists” who defend “communism” as implemented by China CCP and the USSR. They will tell you these are good implementations of communism. You will find many of them on Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.ml both instances .world has defederated from, so you are probably not seeing a lot of posts from them.

            The joke about account age was because it is surprising you would have spent that amount of time in the fediverse and not heard of Tankies yet.

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              I’m pretty sure I’ve heard/seen it but never took the time to figure out what it meant.

              Yeah that explanation makes sense.

              Authoritarian communism, is , from my perspective, not genuine communism.

              Isn’t a core principle of communism (as the term itself implies) a communal society. Which would be where each citizen has more control over legislation and government actions. ?

              No single leader would be needed. And would always cause a failure of the system.

              A rotation of elected counselors would be optimal.

              Authoritarianism only leads to fascism. Doesn’t matter what the intention is behind implementation. It will inevitably lead to fascism.

              Many Democratic presidents who gave themselves more power, paved the way for the position we are in right now.

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                A pure communist country would be a stateless society but if the state get more and more power like it happened to china it eould be harder if not imposivle to have a ststeless society

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                  Aren’t you describing anarchy ?

                  My understanding is communism still supports laws and regulations.

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        A bullshit term that liberals like to use whenever they hear something they don’t agree with.

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    They both seem like real problems though don’t they? Also the links between Russia and Israel are pretty strong…

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    Actually, Russia is interfering with the US elections, it’s called Donald Trump.

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    It’s the neolibs’ version of “blame the foreigners” - instead of blaming immigrants for the problems of one’s country like the fascists, the neolibs will blame “foreign interference” for the problems of one’s country.

    Meanwhile Occan’s Razor tells us that the 100% local people who have power in one’s country are the most likely explanation, yet, “curiously”, the very politicians who are supposed to properly manage the country (and are clearly not doing in a way that serves the interests of most people) end up blaming foreigners in some way or another.

    And I say “one’s country” because this propaganda technique of the dominant mainstream politicians is hardly a thing that only gets used in the US.

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      “blame the foreigners"

      LOL look at the zionist here performing extreme mental gymnastics to play the victim again, this while the data on these demons influencing and having a total grip on US politics is out in the open for all to see.

      At least you are creative, not the usual “this message is Hamaaazzz propaganda!!!” like mostr of you.
      You’ve earned your 2 hasbara shekels for today.

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        Have a look at which group I used to moderate, or recents posts, before you further plunge your foot in your mouth.

        The AIPAC shit in the US would not have been possible without vast wilful cooperation of Americans and their buying of politicians there would not have been possible wthout those 100% American politicians being extremelly corrupt.

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    Look into any political person you’re thinking about voting for. Call them out for taking this money and primary them