Dude. You are literally trying to argue about doing nothing. Pointing to “rules” that he can’t break while the fucking president has SS troops going door to door asking for papers.

Can you please have some perspective here? The state governor can break the rules too. There is precedent for it with the fucking president invading his state.

Why? Why are liberals more interested in restricting themselves to the rules while the entire time the right is shitting on the constitution?

The Trump administration is going to lie and say you are a “radical leftist terrorist”. Can we please start actually treating the situation with the “radical leftist” response is requires? That’s what we need!

Please understand this. You are going to get dragged to the camps screaming “but my rights! I followed the rules!”

Did I say people shouldn’t film ICE? The point of the judicial system is to prosecute crime. This guy is a governor. His job is to use his power and the police to PREVENT crime.

You’re ignoring the entire point of my comment.

If the police are saying they support ICE doing crime. You remove those police from power. He’s the governor!

Deputize the citizens that are actually defending their neighborhoods from ICE. He has power that he refuses to use.

You can’t spend the next 3 years not using state power to defend your citizens. Trump is escalating. He should be using everything at his disposal to counter federal powers with his state powers. Otherwise, we are done. There is only federal and there is only fascism. People that don’t want to be abducted by ICE are being told indirectly “your only option is your own acts of self defense and violence. The state will do nothing until you have already been killed/taken. Just ‘trust us’ to save you in 3 years”

I don’t think you understand what “class war” means. (1) One class can be fighting it while the other class is not. See Americans for an example.

(2) There is no “end” to class war when the working class “gets a living wage”. The capitalist class will always chip away at your wage and social programs. They are doing that now in Europe.

You don’t understand what I was even referring to when talking about class conflict. Here is a test: do you think “class” is dependent on how much money you make? If the answer is “yes, a Doctor is clearly of a different class than a janitor” then you have no idea what I’m talking about.

The way you talk about it makes me think you are just misunderstanding what I was talking about at a fundamental level.

I’m talking about class in the Marxist sense.

With another simple hack I can get that time down to 3600 seconds.

Don’t serve these Nazis.

Dude, there is a case in American history for doing genocide of natives too. What is your “defense” of Trump here? Like, I don’t disagree with you that American Imperialism is not unique to Trump - but you seem to be saying this makes it justified? Maybe I’m reading your comment wrong though.

Yeah. Sorry, I’m use to liberals responding with “don’t poke the beast” as their alone in a cage with it. So I jumped to frustration. I agree. He could absolutely deploy the national guard and create a constitutional crisis. We need a stand to be taken.

Are you European?

Eh, yeah. Maybe. Bad time to use a pronoun since it could be either. I should have not assumed.

Edit: I made the assumption on which person using the national guard commenter was talking about. Should have clarified their pronoun usage before responding. Original below that assumed the “He” referring to Trump.

He’s already going to do that! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. It’s like each escalation that occurs we have liberals saying “well, yeah, we didn’t do anything to resist and he still escalated; but we should still not resist because then he’ll escalate even MORE! Surely, if we keep doing nothing they won’t escalate to the next step”

Do people have the memory of a gold fish? What is your line? Like, please write it down so you remember. Because the line has been crossed 100 times already.

There is always another step of escalation. Pointing to it, in fear, as a reason to do nothing is what you are doing.

TACO is for things that could hurt the stock market or the the profits of capital. It literally comes from Wall Street traders.

TACO is not for Trump being reckless and cruel. He bombed Iran, he bombed fishing boats, he kidnapped a leader of a sovereign country, he has built concentration camps and is sending his SS troops door to door.

You best hope enough wealthy capitalist convince him not to invade Greenland. Because that’s the only reason he won’t. Don’t expect fascist to not take easy “wins” of cruelty to show power when they can.

Fascist only back down when their capitalist owners tell them to OR when there is a chance they could be resisted and seen as weak.

If you think the fascist will roll over and allow a peaceful transfer of power in 3 years then you have not been paying attention.

It makes sense when you understand that this is class war. The working class is being choked in both the US and Europe all while fueling nationalism within each.

Hey, uh, if you’re the Governor of the state in which you know there are federal agents committing crimes maybe YOU should do something.

You can literally do the bare minimum. ICE are driving recklessly, trespassing private property of American citizens and businesses, etc. They are doing it constantly. Maybe start there. Can we get the first “ICE agents ticketed for reckless driving” at the very fucking least?

Like, something? You can use your state and city power to at the very least make things inconvenient to them.

I’m so tired of this “they want us to resist so they have a reason to escalate”. THEY ARE GOING TO ESCALATE NO MATTER WHAT! That’s how we fucking got here!

Seriously. We’ve got wine moms driving around and using whistles to slow them down and get attention. But the only thing the state governor can do right now is tell people “film the crimes, because we won’t do anything about them right now”.

It’s always so silly when people make arguments in random internet comments trying to appeal to their own authority on a topic. Like, you literally know nothing about my knowledge of the subject. You don’t know if I’m in high school now or literally have a history PHD. What is the point of this?

You know nothing about my knowledge outside of (1) I know that Adams defended the soldiers in the Boston Massacre. (2) I think you are not applying any class based historical perspective. It’s why I called you a bootlicker for King George.

Adams was a part of the rich white land owning class. It was beneficial for him at the time to defend his class position and it’s why he did so. He didn’t do it for some “moral” reason of justice. There was clearly no justice served for the people slaughtered in the massacre.

So maybe stop larping as a historian. If you can’t view history from the lense of class struggle then what is the point in knowing a lot of facts if you can’t apply them? You sound much more like a high school history teacher than a historian. But I won’t make assumptions about you like you are to me.

Notice how nothing you said had anything to do with your prior justification of state violence? I never compared anyone to Hitler. That was you. What a weird reply. It sounds like you’re having a conversation with yourself.

Gonna guess your the same person today that defends the murder of Renee Good.

Holy shit. You actually did “the Boston massacre was justified”. Licking the boot of King George all the way in 2026.

Ain’t no “act” fixing the system that got us here. Unless there is a “burn it all down” act.

No system can work that allows the billionaire pedophiles to maintain their wealth and power. We can discuss proportional representation on the way to their execution ceremony.

Just a reminder that the defense attorney, for the soldiers that gunned down the people during the Boston massacre, was none other than future president John Adams.

He successfully argued they were in fear for their lives.

American leaders have NEVER cared about the masses of people. It has always and will always defend and justify the actions of state violence as long as it benefits them to do so. The American revolution was very much just a transfer of power from the Royal British to the rich ruling class in the American colonies. And it has remained that way to this day.

What is happening now is nothing more than the ruling class resorting to fascist acts, once again, on its own population to maintain that power.

In my fantasy where I make the rules; the tyranny would clearly be only on those of the capitalist class. This is tyranny that is required when the ruling class is literally hiding a large pedophilia operation and protecting all involved.

You can live in your philosophy of idealism and call it tyranny if you want. But, Liberal Idealism is what brought us here.

This is class WAR my friend. I have no patience or pity for those in the ruling class the associated themselves with Epstein. They can all enjoy the rest of their lives in a nice air conditioned prison after my fantasy of a revolution.