PieFed.ca100mph E-scooters Are Here – But Should They Be?
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LMAO… yeah go 100mph on a scooter.
What could possibly go wrong…..
I see an increase in the dashcam videos with someone on a 100mph scooter wiping out or crashing into a vehicle.
Better wear full on motorcycle gear when riding these things and have your will up to date.
I saw a one wheel guy doing at least 40mph the other day. He was all kitted out in leathers and a very blinky helmet. Looked like a motorcycle that the front had fallen off of.
If you go frame by frame you can literally see the moment they stop being human and start being raspberry jam
And have sufficient insurance to cover the medical damage and claims for damages of his victims.
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Something with the people that idiot hits on the way.
Can't wait to see someone riding this at 100 mph in the bike lane, wearing a t-shirt, shorts, and flip flops.
Make it two people.
I'll see your two people and raise you to the whole family, Vietnam-style.
Make it two drunk people.
100 mph on the highway between the lanes like sport bike riders...
That’s a meat crayon machine
At the 100 mph with such small wheels, you would not have enough time to react between when a small rock appeared clearly in view and when it stops you dead in your tracks.
I would know as someone who faceplanted after a skateboard wheel hit a pebble so small I never saw it.
I’d like to laws requiring a larger minimum diameter on e-scooter wheels.
Wow, you stirred up an old memory of Garrett Hill's Coffee Slam
https://youtu.be/NulgtJrRfPQ
Great illustration of a pro skateboard vs a pebble.
yeah this is why I switched to longboards with big goofy soft wheels. they eat pebbles and cracks
Fuck pebbles, I got one lodged into some 54mm 95s once. I was able to tuck and roll into some grass but the wheel rolled funny after that.
No.
But put that technology in an electric motorbike that requires a licence, registration and insurance - Hell Yeah!
Here's an interesting clip.
Such plentiful organs. - Zim
if it doesnt turn into meat paste first.
Rhetorical question? Of course not.
When I was 20 I would have gone for this in a heartbeat, now at almost 50 I find myself thinking 15mph is too fast on my escooter.
But do you think your car a should only be able to go the maximum speedlimit when you're putting the pedal to the medal?
I'd assume no.
So why the double standard?
Because way less regulation and drunken irresponsible young people, probably...
A car is actually designed to handle road conditions, maneuver and brake at 100mph. These scooters are just big motors with no other safety mechanisms. There is basically no way to make this safe on the road with this form factor, which is why this is a novelty product being sold to wealthy F1 fans, likely with a mountain of liability paperwork.
Well, 100mph is really pushing it, sure, but honestly, the brakes are really fucking good and the mass is low. I've driven loads of motorcycles and these scooters, and whilst some or them are insanely hazardous, some of them are sturdy, well balanced and have brakes equal to motorcycles.
So as long as you protect yourself, have a helmet, I really don't see a massive difference to motorcycles.
A motorcycle has a solid 6-8" of suspension travel on top of 4" of tire so you don't go flying over the bars if someone leaves a sharpie marker in the road.
True enough, but I think you'd be surprised at how agile and stable some of those larger scoots are.
I had one with like 8" wheels and a seat and I was fucking terrified to drive the thing even when it went like 25-30km/h, especially on slightly cracked asphalt. On the opposite hand, I also had one with much larger tires, like 10-12", and I had absolutely no fear riding it some 60km/h, even on a sandy road. I'd of course slow down for corners and whatnot, but in general.
Scoots achieve much of the suspension but having it be much more diagonal than in bikes. In streetbikes, the suspension is almost vertical, whereas in a lot of the larger scoots, it's like at a 45 degree angle or more, to achieve suspension length without undue addition of height to the stepping board.
But agai, the point really is that cars can go much faster than they're usually used at, and I'm sure people would fucking hate having cars which had the max speed of like 85 mph.
Even comparing it to a motorcycle, I feel more sketched out by the scooter, just simply because, how effective could any brakes attached to those little wheels possibly be?
Well breaking power is proportional to mass, and seeing as the vehicle weighs perhaps quarter at most of a motorcycle (~50kg, which is on the higher end, but would be along the lines of the weight of these faster scoots, against ~200kg), it would depend a lot more on your personal mass.
It's not going to be a problem to stop the scooter, but if you're on the heavier side and have to lean on the bars and put your own weight on it, it's going to affect the breaking power. A 50kg kid will have a much easier time stopping than a 120kg unit of a man.
There's also mass distribution to consider, how much more likely is a scooter with a 2 or 3 foot wheelbase going to dump the rider on his nose than a motorcycle with a 6 foot wheelbase?
That probably depends on how fast you ride it and how skilled the rider is and what ground you're riding it on.
The double standard is because I felt invincible then, now I throw my knee out getting off the toilet.
Yeah, but like, why would the vehicle need to structurally be limited to speed if you have no wish of driving above that speed anyway?
My point is that we allow cars to go much faster than the speed limit. Why not scooters? But also,I acknowledge the reality, which is they're unregulated and mostly driven by non-sober young-ish people. And plenty of crashes happen. (I've been in several myself, albeit I wouldn't count myself among the young per se.)
If you want to ride your e-scooter at 100mph go for it, I do not give 2 shits. As I said in my initial post, I do not want to go that fast because I already feel when I am going 15mph it is too fast.
If you want to argue about regulation go for it, but that was not what my comment was about, it was about my personal feelings regarding myself.
If you owned a Bugatti Chiron, would you drive it at 300 mph? Because that's how fast it goes.
When's the last time you drove your car as fast as it goes?
So should we ban all cars which can exceed speed limits? Or like... could we rely on people just not using the full power at their disposal, and obeying a speed limit?
Idk, seems to me it's more or less worked for cars so...
Dont be a dolt. People with cars like that take them on closed tracks and indeed may go all the way to top speed.
This should be regulared. At the very least, require any user to be an organ donor
Bold of you to assume there will be organs left.
Well, that's fucking stupid.
I mean they'd help with overpopulation.
While that is true, it will also reduce overpopultation with regards to his victims.
No way the brakes can handle that.
When I was walking my dog's in the park late at night I watched a dude eat total shit on one of those mono wheel things. It was on pavement, and he got pretty scraped up. I can't imagine how wrecked a person should get if they were going 100mph on a scooter.
Lmao, 100mph is illegal in many European countries. Even in highways.
Excellent Darwin tool 😆
Lol, natural selection.
No.
... but I want one.
That thing can't be interstate legal. But it would be really funny until it isn't
Motorcycles have terrible brakes to begin with. That thing probably takes ten football fields to stop.
What are you on about?
https://youtu.be/QCHsNoBEdrM
My 1000 had something like a 155 wide front tire and the force required to stop goes up exponentially as you go faster. They stop so bad.
Hmmm survival of the fittest maybe?
Clean out the chaff?
The problem is that this chaff will likely maim and kill innocent bystanders.
Yay, murder suicide machines are here!
Excuse me, but the preferred nomenclature is "meat crayon dispenser".
Until you find yourself in the path of one of those assholes, then it's either lights out or maybe continue life as a vegetable
These things must be prohibited, period
I love The Suicide Machines!
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Fuck, imagine driving on the interstate going 60 in your car, and you see a dude on a scooter catching up to you on it, waving hello to you.
With proper infra and responsible drivers, yeah, sure.
Do we have that?
That being said I find it condescending that personal transport vehicles are limited in power, but cars are not.
Why could people not inherently abide by rules on a bicycling path if they can do so on the road with a car that can do 300 mph?
My jeep barely notices speed bumps even if I don't notice and slow down. Scooters will throw off your balance even at 20 mph hitting a 1/2" imperfection in concrete or asphalt. This is the worst argument I've ever heard.
Come to that, it looks like schooters are perfect pothole sensors. Future Road Maintainence: Find meat crayon drawing on street, look for a pothole nearby, fix it.
I don't feel like you've driven lots of scooters, especially the better ones.
I can easily go 50km/h on a sandy and slightly bumpy road. Honestly the handling, traction and suspension is better than in my moped when I was 15. It had more mass and less power and way worse brakes.
Some of the scoots are flimsy af, yeah. But some of them are sturdy with good suspension. You get what you pay for, really.
Comparing a personal transport vehicle meant for the city to a car that literally started as a military vehicle. Great argument, not strawmanny at all.
Ok, then compare it to my Miata doing the same thing. Still not dangerous to me, the car or anyone else. I wouldn't even take a scooter to 100 mph on the Bonneville salt flats let alone a public road.
Edit: I'd do 100mph on an e bike at the salt flats tho. That sounds fun. But nothing with this short of a wheel base, that small of wheel, with that twitchy of steering, no way.
Ah yes, you get to say that all your cars are completely unaffected by anything, but every single scooter is a horrible deathtrap.
Again, you clearly have not driven scooters, except perhaps some of those city rentals. They're comparable to buses, but get treated even worse.
Again, the better quality scooters have significantly better suspension and riding qualities than my Suzuki PV ever did. Suzuki PV's also have smaller wheels. And when I was 15, people were tuning those so they went up to 80-120km/h. 45 was the legal limit, a stock PV would go about 50, and with tiny tuning you could get it to go 60 easily, and 75-80 somewhat easily. The brakes on those were horrible in comparison to the 160mm disc brakes on these new scoots. Swingarm suspension, grippy board.
As long as you dress properly for those speeds, there's really not a huge difference to a motorcycle. I would do 100mph on salt flats, and I don't think I'd need that much even. I know several places where I know the bumps in the road well enough that I could try taking one 100mph if I had some reason to. But driving them around at about 50km/h seems to be the more reasonable solution, because otherwise you're gonna start needing an actual motorcycling jacket in case of a bad fall. Sub 50km/h speeds (30mph) you can still do with a bicycle helmet while being relatively safe. But in the city you need to take that down, unless you're driving among the cars, and that's generally frowned upon a bit, or if not frowned upon, I wouldn't like the cops to see me doing it because a vehicle capable of doing that is illegal and I'd have to pay for the avoided insurance and whatnot. Which is acceptable, because if the regulation sucks, they can be really dangerous.
The worst thing about my best powerful Chinese scoot was simply the subpar quality of the materials on some parts, but I quickly recognised it and for instance changed all the Chinese bolts in my brakes to Finnish ones.
But again, for like the umpteenth time, the maximum velocity a vehicle can do isn't the only speed you can drive it at. When is the last time you drove your Jeep or your Miata as fast as they go? You drive the Miata around at a 140mph? I would never drive an old Miata 140 mph, even on the Bonneville salt flats.
No, a scooter is not at all like a motorcycle. I've driven both they're not even remotely comparable. And yes, I'd drive an MX-5 at 140 on a public road if it was closed or on a track. I took my 04 GTO to 150 on an open public road in my younger days. No, I wouldn't drive the jeep at its top speed, I simply don't have the time to waste or a road long enough.
I have driven good scooters, the e scooter my kids got is $450 plus his nice push scooter. You act like some kind of scooter connoisseur. But who has as many scooters as you claim? Or are you in some little scooter gang that trades scooters and compares notes? Do you guys have sweater vests with 1%er patches ironed on, carrying the same color vape pen? You buy one, and ride it till it dies. I'm done with this conversation.
If you say "they're not even remotely comparable", then you haven't driven both. Or you've driven like one type of each, which makes you unable to compare them, it doesn't make them incomparable.
You mean you once drove it at that speed for a very short time and then returned back to safe and rational speeds. Meaning that you've barely once even come close to driving a car as fast as it goes. Yet you're somehow acting as if these scooters don't have throttles, but an on/off setting and you MUST go 100mph at ALL times.
Doesn't really tell much. If you bought it from some store nearby, it might be an overpriced kids toy. If you bought it from China, it could be a relatively ok, on the cheaper side though. Does it even have dual suspension? Swingarm suspension?
I'm talking something along these lines:
That's around 1k. But again, it's much safer than any of the minibikes I drove in the 90's and as long as you dress for the slide and not the ride, and with proper infrastructure and regulation, I don't see the issue. If you think it's genuinely just about safety, then honestly some of the backseats on bikes with like 200hp are far more dangerous. Like a tiny little bench which is practically curved and made of some slippery faux-leather, and you're not the driver yourself? Perhaps I have trust-issues and that's where that comes from, but that feels very unsafe to me in comparison to driving a scooter that can go 100mph. My fucking 125cc bike could go 100mph (it genuinely did, got it to 165km/h), and the rear suspension was completely blown, it was just the spring, So every now and then, on curves, it would "kick out" if I went to the curve too hard. One time with my girlfriend on the backseat, while I was passing someone, in a corner, and the corner had a little dip in the middle of it just as I'm balancing the countersteering exactly because I'm aware of the suspension. And in the dip, it kicks out like a mule at the passing speed. A little bit of poo almost came out. Not for myself, but I was afraid I had just killed my girlfriend. Luckily I didn't. 'Twasn't the only time I seriously endangered someone's life on that bike btw. Oh and you can still see an image of that specific fucking motorcycle, which I find awesome.
At least for me, it's the first result when you image search "Suzuki RGF". I know it's my former bike because those are custom colours.
But yeah, check these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVgwrvtUC44
See? I've driven one those on a shitty sand road. They go 50-120km/h. They have no suspension. A quality scooter with a long board and good suspension FAR outperforms anything like that or any of the minibikes which are completely legal, and larger in mass, just like I said.
Comparing those to a double-motored dual-suspended and sizeable board is a bad comparison. The scooter is much safer and easier to handle. Of course a scooter is unsafe compared to sitting in a brand new car cushioned with airbags, but, there's also a price difference of several tens of thousands of dollars.
Why is a motorcycle site that feature machine that can also capable of this speed being so pessimistic about this?
But anyway, pothole would love to meet these thing.
probably because riding a motorcycle generally requires more protection than a scooter, and the position you're in on a motorcycle is marginally safer.
i doubt these will be popular if they start requiring full mc gear.
Does motorcycle gear a requirement for those high horse power bike? Where i am it doesn't seems to be required except helmet.
Here not even a helmet is required. You're free to make road pizza all you like. I assume motorcycle insurance is astronomical.
yeah
Terrifying to think about for me or kids. Hopefully, it is a promotion and an engineering exercise to develop the tech and showboat the possible. Performance bike and car manufacturers have done this for decades to enhance their brand and to sell their road legal cars or bikes. Personally I find the idea of eScooters terrifying, but will ride my bike, which when I think about it offers almost zero protection either.
Bikes are a lot more stable than scooters at almost any speed, and have more flex to them, and these days often at least some sort of suspension. My kid loves his e scooter but it does 30mph and unless it's on a long, straight flat trail it's scary for me doing 30 mph. I can almost get my pedal bike to that speed, maybe even over if I really work at it down hill, and I've never even been nervous on that.
and the larger, softer wheels on a bike are going to slow it down much faster, and with a lot more control, than anything rolling on tiny wheels with miniscule contact patches.
Exactly, that's his favorite part is that he can kind of "drift" it.
What is an "100mph"?
Is it some sort of brand?
100 miles per hour. Equal to 160 kilometers per hour.
Wearing motorcycle-grade protection on an eScooter kills the point of the eScooter.