SavvyWolf

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SavvyWolf ,

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Features & Changes For The New Pawb.Social Lemmy Fork

Now that Pawb.Social has forked Lemmy, I thought it would be appropriate to go ahead and compile a list of changes or additions that have been suggested, or that have been spotted by others or myself. This is hardly a comprehensive list, and down below will be two comments by me, one for changes to back-end changes or additions ...

SavvyWolf ,

So, I don't disagree with the decision to fork (especially because of the hardcoded donation URL). I am concerned about fracturing of the codebase, so I have a few questions:

  • Will this fork always be a sequence of commits based on some Lemmy version, or do you expect history to diverge (git rebase vs merge)?
  • Will there be an effort to upstream useful changes into Lemmy proper (a lot of the changes suggested are things that might be desirable for Lemmy in general).
  • There's a number of other communities with a desire to use a forked Lemmy version, do you intend this fork to be useful for them, or is this purely for pawb.social?

And perhaps most importantly:

  • Will the name be changed from Lemmy to something else if there are significant changes.
SavvyWolf ,

Not sure where the settings actually live, so I can't say whether this is backend or frontend, but I have been thinking that nsfw post handling could be improved.

Specifically, I've been thinking about (and actually been considering implementing) some new per-user settings:

  • Don't show nsfw posts from other instances in the "all" feed.
  • Don't show nsfw posts in the "local" or "all" feed at all.
  • Always show nsfw posts from communities the user is subscribed to, regardless of the above two options.

Should cut down on any drama caused by someone registering on a random instance and subbing to gfur. :P

EDIT: Looking at the replies, it looks like a simple site wide toggle a-la Furaffinity might be easier to implement and more egonomic.

SavvyWolf ,

Hello, I'm the guy that made that post. I was wanting to just make a short post explaining things, but it turned into an essay it seems. So, uh, enjoy.

Honestly, that edit was mostly just an emotional response. It's... Just so much drama, tbh. I just want the whole "Lemmyverse" to prosper or whatever, but it feels like everything is fracturing and falling apart. I feel like I shouldn't have to make multiple separate accounts on different servers (although that was the norm in the old forum days, and it might end up being a culture thing here).

Feels like there's going to be two separate "cliques" almost; those lucky enough to get into an invite/approval server, and those that couldn't/didn't. And each of those "cliques" will form their own communities and not really talk to each other. There'd be [email protected] and [email protected] or whatever, and they'd just never talk.

Compounding this is that defederation is implemented really badly. Like, super badly. I don't think anyone actually understands how it works and what implications it has for users. There's no interface for when things you post get blackholed. I only found out about it when I posted a comment, went to the original instance and thought it weird that the comment wasn't there.

If defederation like this continues, especially without standardized blocklists, we'd get into a situation where people would send messages and then them not be received by the other end. Communities would fracture into local "forks" which are only visible to a single instance. Even worse, it would not even be clear that this is happening, or how it works.

I do think @Crashdoom should have posted an announcement about defederating sh.itjust.works. Especially since it is one of the "OG" instances that were spun up at the start of the migration. Ideally with the motivations behind it and why lemmy.world (which has similar issues) was not defederated.

However, I want to make it clear that I don't disagree with their decision. I can see open signups being a problem, and... Honestly the fact that a thread that the troll made is still there (even though the user is banned) doesn't reflect well with how the admin's polices mesh well with other instances. I sympathize that this situation... Honestly sucks for everyone involved. There are a lot of arseholes online. Thanks to all the mods that largely keep them away from us.

The admin of sh.itjust.works made a thread about the defederation here as well, they seem pretty chill about wanting to work things out: @TheDude@sh.itjust.works avatar TheDude : Beehaw defederating update - sh.itjust.works in sh.itjust.works Main Community

Legitimately, I think all of this will cause people to leave Lemmy en-masse because it "doesn't work". Combined with the janky UI, federation being confusing in general, the political issues with lemmy.ml and lemmygrad dot ml (which I've not seen any evidence that they're owned by the same person, but eh), it doesn't look good for Lemmy. I was optimistic that maybe it might have had the momentum to be a serious competitor to Reddit but honestly... I don't think it's production ready yet. Maybe next time Reddit does something unpopular, if it still exists, but I think this migration is ultimately doomed to fall to this drama.

I get that Pawbs and Beehaw don't want to be a "new Reddit", and instead focus on high quality, heavily moderated communities (like /r/AskHistorians. Never used it, but from what I've heard it seems to be the vibe they are going for?), but I was hoping there'd be a world in which they could co-exist with the heavily focused communities which are being mass created on lemmy.world and friends.

Regarding "limited" access... I've been thinking about it, and I'm not really sure how it would work? Mastodon is a mostly one-on-one situation. You follow and interact with one person at a time, whereas with Lemmy you interact with a number of people at once. There's a number of technical issues that need answering here which I may go into in a follow up post, since I've rambled on enough already.

I intend to use my beehaw account to continue interacting with pawbs; you can't get away from me that easily!

Edit: Does editing a post cause it to be resent?

SavvyWolf ,

Hello, it's me, the poster of that comment. I made a long comment detailing some of my thoughts and concerns, but for some reason it got lost somewhere and never made it to pawb.social.

EDIT: Okay, so apparently editing the post got it to resend and it showed up. Interesting.