NoneOfUrBusiness

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Gee, I wonder if there's some way they could've survived without needing to shoot down full drone barrages then. I wonder what that could be.

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People follow the religion of their kings.

-Ibn Khaldun circa 1377

Unfortunately this is closer to the norm than to being an exception.

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That strategy failed miserably against the Houthis.

Trump's Plan To Escort Ships Through Strait Of Hormuz Would Put U.S. Navy Warships In The Crosshairs ( www.twz.com )

U.S. Navy could soon be escorting commercial ships through the Strait of Hormuz, where maritime traffic has effectively stopped due to the current conflict with Iran, according to President Donald Trump. Doing so would demand that American naval vessels transit through the Strait, shifting them away from other duties. More ...

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I mean, no need to lie; Iran is absolutely going to shoot at any US navy ships in their backyard.

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unfortunately another dude trying to appeal to moderates and conservatives, foolishly.

What? This is a progressive who vowed not to take AIPAC money. How exactly is or was he trying to appeal to conservatives?

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he is the "unapologetically christian" candidate who polled very strongly with Whites and Independents.

Sure, but that just means he's a guy who appeals to less progressive/more conservative people. Now putting that in the forefront is a decision, but that's different from modifying one's policies to appeal to conservatives. The latter is what's foolish; the former is the equivalent of accepting free lunch.

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Harris was also very progressive on policy

Fucking delusional.

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And how many of those are unfulfilled and/or watered down Biden promises? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. She did nothing to make people believe she was actually going to do these things; promising to put Republicans in her cabinet certainly didn't. Campaigning on fracking certainly didn't. Dickriding Israel certainly didn't.

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Yeah that's true; I'm intentionally taking the bait because I make it a point to call out bullshit.

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More of this please and good riddance.

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*Increase? Assuming constant grid line thickness the fewer squares you have the more surface area you get.

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International law never actually protected the global south, so the only real change here is how blatant America is being.

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The cutting off trade with allies is new, but you're implying any war the US entered after WWII was wanted by decemt people.

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That's fair.

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True but given that UK bases are being used to bomb Iran this is still supporting America's war.

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Nah, still need a play on Taiwan, which tbf is looking increasingly likely.

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I mean, America is attacking them from those Gulf states. Attacking them was the only realistic response and they knew that.

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I'm getting tired of saying this, but fucking vassal states.

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Yes, because the US wasn't sucking Israeli cock when Biden was president. It's not guaranteed this exact situation would've played out if Harris was president, but fundamentally it's Tel Aviv setting the schedule here, not DC. It's more than likely a Harris admin would've just taken more care to manufacture consent first (and not call the affair a religious war, but secular bombs aren't any better than religious bombs).

PS: Leftists unwilling to vote blue don't exist in large enough numbers to skew any US elections.

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Yeah it's great*. The more incompetent the people running the war machine are, the better.

*Except RFK since his role doesn't have anything to do with the military.

Rubio Admits That America Is Fighting Israel’s War ( theintercept.com )

Secretary of State Marco Rubio admitted that the U.S. was forced into the war with Iran by Israel while speaking with reporters on Monday. He explained that the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had effectively boxed in the Trump administration, taking the decision out of American hands. ...

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There's definitely a different in quantity, but you're exaggerating. Biden was famously slow-walking aid and sanctions and Trump didn't completely (or even mostly) cut off aid.

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To be honest I didn't know that (WTF Trump), but the conversation is clearly about events after the full-scale invasion. The person I replied to implied Trump completely cut off aid to Ukraine after his reelection.

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And it's all 100% your fault,

You're talking like that's a bad thing.

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I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70's.

The 70s? Like, during the Vietnam war? Or when they installed Pinochet? The US never cared about human rights.

We (EU) support democracy and human rights

Like in Libya? Or Israel? The idea of the EU as a shining beacon of human rights is nothing more than PR; it's just another neocolonial empire. Respectfully, you should (re)learn some post-WWII history.

Cooperation is generally a good thing,

Cooperation for good is a good thing; cooperation between tyrants to more efficiently practice their tyranny is a bad thing. The historical EU-US relationship falls under the latter category.

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That's still 1970-1973, or four of ten years one would call "the 70s." That said, if you want more examples you can consult this list, among others. And let's not forget all the evil shit Israel got up to with American permission in this time period. Also... uh... mind responding to everything else I said? Unless you're conceding those other points, in which case fair enough.

Response to your edit: The peace movement was nice, but neither it nor Carter prevented the US from installing and supporting foreign dictators, arming Israel or giving diplomatic cover to the Khmer Rouge. Carter was a good man if I'm not mistaken, but the state apparatus he presided over was as unapologetically evil as ever.

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And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn't vote for Trump, all the vulnerable... just... fuck 'em?

They can always overthrow him (and the rest of their ruling class). It's one genocide too late to worry about Americans; at this point the world has to move on and they can sink or swim. I'm not happy it had to come to this, but given their complete inability to reign in their ruling class I'm not going to complain now that nature is running its course.

I don't really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth.

Me neither, but it's better than a murderous neocolonial empire with 1/4 of the world as vassal states. A lot, I daresay most, of the evil the US gets up to on a monthly basis is only made possible by the cooperation of its so-called allies.

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You know BDS (if not look it up)? Do the opposite of that with Spanish companies.

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But there's a huge difference between the progress of the 70's, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80's.

Sure, except none of this is relevant to the topic. It's hard to argue that things weren't somewhat (and only somewhat) better in the 70s, but... so what? The pendulum was always going to swing in the other direction, and it did before the US did anything even close to redeeming itself. What's your point here?

The Iran war is about preserving U.S. hegemony in the Middle East ( prismreports.org )

It’s also imperative to not view this war in a silo, but instead see it as part of the same violent, hegemonic project that has been conducting genocide and spreading violence across Palestine, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, and beyond. We must hold elected officials accountable for failing to uphold U.S. and international law by ...

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I mean, libs do tend to believe that Trump's imperialism is fundamentally different from "normal" bipartisan US imperialism (and therefore not bipartisan). "This is the same shit as always and putting your heads in the sand won't help" is a meaningful message to spread.

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*US imperialism, but yeah.

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We've been passing NDAAs since The Korean War without hitting this level of mass slaughter.

Not contesting your overall point, but the Korean War was mass slaughter galore. The US almost completely flattened North Korea, and proportionally more North Koreans died in the war than Soviets did in WWII. If there's a time when the US didn't inflict mass slaughter on its enemies, it sure as hell wasn't 1950-1953.

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Immensely based, respect.

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Love me some trust busting, but also this is on the same level of moral superiority as only giving Israel "defensive" weapons (the UK will support "defensive" airstrikes) so like yeah get fucked Starmer.

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But it turns out he was actually serious. Hurray for that, let USA fix their own mess for once.

To be clear, helping bomb Iran's means of retaliation/deterrence is not "letting them fix their own mess." This is on the same level as exporting "defensive" weapons to Israel and thinking one isn't accomplice to genocide.

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To be fair Israel has to do something about Iran before they can think about continuing the genocide.

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Why is leopards eating EU faces such a common sight these days?

Qatar and UAE scramble for air defenses, warn Patriots may be depleted within days ( www.ynetnews.com )

As Gulf states continue to face Iranian fire, Bloomberg reports they are urging the president to seek an 'off ramp' from the war while asking allies to bolster air defenses and drone interception, including MAMBA systems now scarce due to shipments to Ukraine

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I guess even the world's deadliest war machine has something to lose when run by a demented man baby and his sycophants.

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They all are; Trump's incompetence (and incontinence) is what makes him unique.

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I get what you mean, but I think the difference might be more down to capability (and realpolitik, which Putin is undeniably better at) than morality.

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Again, capability and intelligence vs morality. Unlike Netanyahu and his ilk, Putin knows not to bite off more than he can chew and his enemies are getting billions of Western aid so he can't just bomb them to smithereens (though he still tries). From his career in general and his actions in Ukraine specifically it's clear he's fundamentally the same kind of fascist colonialist scum as Netanyahu (and the Israeli ruling class more broadly).

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Sigh.

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The better one state solution.

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Great.

No warning, no siren: 6 US service members killed in Iranian strike that hit makeshift operations center in Kuwait ( www.cnn.com )

The first US service members to die in the conflict between the US and Iran were killed by a direct Iranian strike on a makeshift operations center at a civilian port in Kuwait on Sunday morning local time, a source familiar with the situation told CNN. ...

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Nice.

Witnesses Describe Horror Scene After “Double-Tap” Bombing Kills Over 20 at Popular Tehran Square ( www.dropsitenews.com )

TEHRAN, IRAN—As groups of families and others gathered Sunday evening at cafes around Niloofar Square—a middle-class area in eastern Tehran—after breaking their fast for Ramadan, a series of explosions struck the area, leveling several buildings and killing over 20 people, according to witnesses at the scene and later ...

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Nope, Americans have been doing double tapping for a while. Unironically thanks Obama.

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Amazing.

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Chinese imperialism mainly happens within its borders (see: Xinjiang and Tibet); doesn't make it any better. To be clear China is the lesser of these evils, but whether what it's doing technically counts as an "invasion" doesn't have much to do with that.