The thought of being remembered for something so bland and boring is weirdly scary to me. Maybe Felix was on to something when he talked about how settler-colonialism hollows out your soul and kills any culture, creativity or national identity you might’ve otherwise had. 
Edit: 🔻 🔻 🔻 🔻 🔻 SETTLER DOWN 🔻 🔻 🔻 🔻 🔻
As people are accurately diagnosing Israeli society as demonic and without redemptive qualities, and as they rightly wish harm on this settler, I can’t help but think about how mad people here got when I said I don’t care about the suffering of Americans.
Can someone explain the difference? Because it seems to me it’s the classic cop/soldier distinction you see among RadLibs: they can imagine themselves being harassed and harmed by cops (in which case it’s ACAB city) but are far more likely to be or know soldiers than suffer harm at their hands, so suddenly a situation that merited slogans and denunciations seconds ago deserves nuance.
People–again, rightly–point out that there are no innocent Israelis and that settlers are inherently combatants. Why doesn’t this apply to the far more more murderous United States? Its foundation is even more explicitly genocidal, it has killed orders of magnitude more people, and all of its atrocities receive widespread support.
So why is the treatment so different? Is it because Israelis are faceless nobodies on the other side of the Earth, and you and everyone you care about are Americans? Is it because your state has been unimaginably more successful at its campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing, so unlike Israelis, you don’t have to think about the fact that you’re a settler and thus create ideological justifications for your existence?
To be clear: I’m not saying that people here don’t hate the US. People here hate the US, but they hate Israelis. Why are Israelis painted as monsters complicit in their government’s actions while Americans are poor little victims whomst bear no responsibility for the most murderous state on Earth?
If this doesn’t apply to you: great! The next time someone tearfully says that no one should listen to me because I’m a big old meanie head toward history’s most perfect angels, Americans, please join me in thinking about how much everyone hates Israelis both individually and collectively (and again: they should! This is not a defense of Israelis) and roll your eyes.
“Ten degrees to the left of center in the best of times; ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally.”
Edit: to be clear, I’m talking about Euro-Americans. The material base of American society is the exploitation of everyone on Earth for the benefit of Europeans. The bottom strata of American society are almost entirely racialized, and non-white people generally experience drastically different circumstances than the parasitic European majority.
Americans are poor little victims whomst bear no responsibility for the most murderous state on Earth?
Right away I think this is a strawmen, most people on hexbear don’t believe the second part and when this point is made, well are you ideologically consistent or not? Is propaganda actually real and capitalists control everything or Americans are literally voting for every dumb shit their imperialist masters decide to do? Are we even talking about the same people that can’t even point to most countries on a map? Even if most Americans decide to be “against” [insert current US sponsored genocide/war here] would that actualy change anything at all? Since when is the US actualy influenced by public opinion?
The core here is reponsibility is not the same as guilt. You can be an accomplice, you can even accept and refuse to do anything to prevent something, But take that to the logical conclusion e.g every American that doesn’t kill a cop on sight is responsible for the next time a pig kills an innocent person. Everyone that doesn’t immidiately murders everyone who works in the MIC is literaly reponsible the for the next drone strike?
Yes that is a joke but the point is American “responsibility” should always be viewed from the context of class analysis imo, it is the only way to be ideologicaly consistent.
The second point is that you’re already contradicting yourself here when you say you don’t want nuance but then you’re forced to clarify you’re talking about Euro(white) Americans. That is nuance because POC identify as “American” just as white people, however we decide to pass judgement on this choice it is still a fact and it will only become a more fundamental fact as time becomes and American society becomes even more diverse.
Also I shouldn’t have to tell you this, but nobody here unironicaly asking for genocide of anyone, even white Americans. Even doomers like me I think the worst outcome would be a WW3 scenario where the victorious army marches onto Washington and changes everything through sheer force, at that point if you’re still fighting for “America” you’re are the enemy and deserve to die, before that point, don’t mistake the discourse in a vacuum here for actual meaningful political theory.
Also final point, if you go down the hate ladder so much what becomes the real difference between you and some 4chan loser that decides to do a mass shooting in a school or mall? Americans are all “guilty” right? What is the real difference when the outcome is the same? Not saying that is what you’re proposing but what does “not care about the suffering” actualy means in practice isn’t so simple.
