Feddit.onlineGermany: Dozens injured at Berlin pro-Palestinian protest
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I would have thought that Berlin's police overreach might have been dealt with sometime since the last world war, but I guess I was just hopeful.
According to the police, one officer was dragged into the crowd, forced to the ground and trampled on. The 36-year-old reportedly suffered severe injuries to his upper body, including a broken arm, and remains in the hospital.
Just your friendly neighbourhood demonstration. Nothing to see here, move along.
Just look for "police violence palestine protests berlin" and you will find countless of videos of cops beating up people for no reason, using excessive force, beating up people already on the ground and in custody, choking people unconcious. There was a small outcry about a year ago when videos emerged of cops randomly shoving a women outside any group of people to the fround and another video of a cop throwing a women around by her neck, a move that could have easily broke her neck and killed her.
Also the police is notorious for lying about attacks on officers, so the claim he would have been "dragged into the crowd" should be taken with a big grain of salt, unless there is video evidence of it. I think it is more probable that he fell over when the police stormed in and his colleagues retreated. And well when you keep punching, kicking, body slamming and choking people, there could come a point when they loose their cool.
For demonstrations in Berlin police has been looking to escalate violence to discredit protests at every possibility over the past years. Human rights and civil rights organizations are criticising increasing repressions against demonstrations especially increasing police violence. Aside from protests for the rights of Palestinians climate protests are particular targets. Berlins police uses violence against women and minors in particular because they know it is a reliable way to escalate violence.
On thursday Berlins police already banned the demonstration from moving at all. Police came with two water throwers and 600 officers to begin with. They were out for blood.
Some scences from thursday and other prtests over the past year and a half. Note that his is not even the tip of the iceberg.
https://youtube.com/shorts/h_gjZdx4MqU
https://youtube.com/shorts/wDFKlXoqeXg
https://youtube.com/watch?v=c6Jlj8shfVM
https://youtube.com/shorts/s0q0zd8t5fo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=exRIsj73QUQ
To add to that. This is not a Gaza-Israel problem, but a Berlin police being especially violent against any sort of left leaning protest. They were extremely hard on climate protest before that. Part of that being a lawful conviction for using a pain grip.
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And it doesn't have to be a protest for Palestinians for police to use excessive force, just look up how they treated stuttgart 21 protesters
nice tightly edited clips with no context
as you know a lot of standard palestinian chants are regarded as racist and illegal in germany that compels the police to act
Compels them to smack women to the ground? Compels them to beat people square in the face with heavy gloves?
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You changed your wording from compelled to allowed. Are they compelled to do this?
Already retreating your wording and moving the goalposts. I see you though.
Probably another right-wing troll.
i am compelled to answer you and allowed to call you a fool
Does the arrest need to be legitimate or is it enough for police to want to arrest someone for no reason and then beat down everyone who isnt jumping to the side right away? I am asking because often many more arrests are made than people being charged after. And then charges often get thrown out in court.
How did shoving that women from the back relate to any arrest when she was clearly away from other protestors? If the goal was to arrest her, there were plenty of cops arround who could have surrounded her and arrested her without violence. Or beating the shit out of the teenage boy who tried to defuse between the men and the cop?
post the full video with the full context and we'll find out
ah yes the classic "you made me repeatedly punch you in the face because I was afraid in my full body riot armor" - good to know the brave solders defending a genocide have loyal supporters on lemmy as well 🫶
Good "centrist" Germans and bootlicking, name a more classic combo
Ah, playing the victim role? I know that one from Palestinian protesters already. Show me something new.
You're losing
Go to hell Zionist trash.
That less victim-y for you?
The police could learn to keep their distance and stop instigating violence. If you push people they'll push back. If you're armed expect them to not give you a chance to use your weapon.
The lesson here is let people do their peaceful protesting and you won't necessitate violence.
This isn't a right-wing protest, this crowd doesn't want violence, it wants to be heard. This crowd is willing to use violence to ensure it's right to be heard is preserved.
Until I can see some evidence that the unarmed crowd instigated violence against the armed police I'm going to consider the armed police to be the instigators since they showed up armed and then approached a crowd of people who were voicing their opinion.
"The police could learn to keep their distance..." that is not how it works in Germany.
The police has the force monopoly. You do what the police says or you get in trouble. They are fair (most of the time, I experienced 2 or 3 exceptions myself throughout my life). Most of the time you will get another chance.
I was also on protests and demos myself. They are not doing anything to the crowd except something is going wrong, like:
Demonstrants not taking the pathway they should be taking like planned.
"not how it works in Germany" we ain't talking laws, we talking morality. We are talking how things should be. Laws are irrelevant to morality and if that's your argument then you are lost.
And I am talking about reality.
If the police don't bring order to the chaos, we will have a bad time in this country.
As I already said, I got in trouble myself, sometimes for nothing. It is what it is, back in the time I was furious too. But now I see that it was necessary.
Why is a protest for Palestina here even necessary? Or even for Israel? I give a frick about both of these countries. They are thousands of miles away and not even on the European continent.
I don't support this kind of extremism.
People from Palestina have a bad time in their country, ok. Then they come here to Germany. ok. They get support and can live in peace. ok. Then they make trouble in Berlin. What the frick? Are you dumb? Enjoy the peaceful life we built here.
Go protest in some country that is adjacent to Palestina. Turkey or Egypt or Syria. Or Quatar, I don't care.
Germany is funding Israel. That's why there are protests. Do you not know that Germany actively assists in Israels genocide? They make trouble in Berlin because Berlin is making trouble in Palestine.
Also, people are people no matter where they are or what flag they fly. Your morality and sense of human responsibility doesn't end at a border.
Armed gang of men show up to a peaceful protest to commit violence and are surprised when they are retaliated against. Gtfo
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What makes you think so?
Have you even read the article?
The article only represents the official narrative by the police, who are known to lie and misrepresent events. Police violence against demonstrations in Berlin especially demonstrations for the rights of Palestinians, but also climate protests is a daily occurence. Police is deliberately escalating violence to suppress protests. See two german languaged articles, one for thursday and one for the larger problem:
https://taz.de/Nakba-Tag-in-Berlin/!6088163/
https://taz.de/Polizeigewalt-auf-Palaestina-Demos/!6029454/
If police violence would be reported on accurately and not only when the videos and outrage became too large in a few incidents, the "bürgerliche Mitte" would be shocked to see how democratic their "centrists" parties actually are. So the center and right media tries to avoid reporting on things or well just parrots the police.
I did a quick tour through YouTube and, well, I think that this is a case of "both sides". The protestors are really agressive and violent, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwh0-d4-b0A
I really do not understand what they want to gain by staging a protest like this. They are really not getting their message out to anyone. No bystander will go there and talk to them and inform themselves about their causes (which kind of is the point of a demonstration) when there is a big aggressive mob around. I'm going to lots of demonstrations and know that the police and esp. our Bereitschaftspolizei are too aggressive and sometimes pointlessly violent. But if I saw what was happening there, I would have left immediately. Nothing is gained by such pointless fighting and this only hurts the cause. You do not win any sympathies here by protesting so violently.
There is no "both sides" here when the playing field is so uneven. As a protestor, just showing up in a simple motorcycle helmet would be a crime - nevermind the full body armor the cops are wearing.
Where do you see protestors initiating violence?
Because when the police starts storming in, you either can try to fight back or get run over and beaten up.
As i explained police seeks to rscalate violence to discredit protests. Also leaving can be difficult when you are surrounded by police and leaving by yourself makes you easy prey for police. This is why at every demo there is a reminder to arrive and leave in groups.