I did not argue whether vegan is cheaper, I argued that chicken is not expensive. 4€/kg raw and 6.5€/kg cooked for European prices is not expensive food, end of the story, you really cannot honestly argue against that. If you’re seriously arguing that, you should apply for a job at the Wall Street Journal, you’d be a wonderful corporate lackey and worker basher.
So they decided the potential industrial progress
Not potential, measurable and factual, sustained 15% growth in industrial output yearly, with it being the only defense possible against the upcoming imperialist invasion. You keep arguing as if the industrialization is something hypothetical, it’s an undeniable truth, and it’s the main factor in saving Europe from Nazism.
was worth however many deaths in the Ukranian region
How many Ukrainians would have been exterminated without the Soviet Union having the capability to manufacture 30.000 T-34 tanks against the Nazi war machine? Some 7 million Ukrainians perished due to the Nazi invasion in “just” 2-3 years, imagine how many would have been exterminated if the Nazis had had even just a few more years of occupation. Also, you continue with the fixation in the Ukrainian region, similar numbers of people died from starvation inside Ukraine as in the rest of the USSR.
also, it is a useless thought exercise, but would they have been crushed by the nazis?
Yes, there is absolutely no doubt about this and it’s consensus among economists. A feudal country cannot defeat an industrialized nation bordering its lands if the latter invades it. It was not “winter” winning the war, that’s Napoleon, it was the battle of Stalingrad that resulted in a turning point in the war. The Soviets were THIS close to losing the war, and even in victory, 27 million Soviet citizens died as a consequence of the war.
plus the usa sent a bunch of equipment over, maybe they’d have sent more, if needed
Your speculation is nonsense. The USA did in fact send more equipment to England than to the USSR, and it is the latter that defeated the Nazis (80% of dead Nazi soldiers were killed in the Eastern Front). There is absolutely no doubt possible that the USSR would have been crushed with Blitzkrieg as were Poland and France had it not been for their industrialization efforts in the previous decade, this is the historical consensus. Stop trying to bend reality in a topic in which you’re clearly not well educated.
Fixed it for you:
Your joke is “haha Cuban people dying to sanctions is fun”? Not funny at all.
Ok, so then say “eating chicken is immoral”, not “eating chicken is expensive” if you’re vegetarian, and don’t play dishonest arguments using price.
If you buy bell peppers in an EU supermarket they hover around the 4€/kg, which is very similar to the prices of whole chicken. Rotisserie is marginally more expensive per kilo, because it’s one of those convenience items that supermarkets don’t sell for a profit but for convenience to attract clients. Local supermarkets such as Mercadona sell rotisserie chicken de-boned for 6€-ish/kg.
This post is not about vegetarianism and its morality (which I support), it’s about the literal cheapest meat being considered a luxury. 6.5€ per kilo for a cooked meal is literally some of the most affordable you can find, try feeding 2-3 people without cooking yourself. Do you consider strawberries (5€/kg at cheapest) a luxury?
France would approve 30% if it was up to them
Up to whom? Has the majority of the population been consulted on military escalation and draining of state budget in welfare in favour of weapons?
Also, you really don’t think the EU will spend a significant amount of that budget buying weapons from the US military industrial complex?
In what universe is rotisserie chicken expensive? Like, unless you exclusively eat grains, potatoes, carrots and beans, there’s essentially nothing cheaper, chicken is by far the cheapest animal protein in most of the world.
Food aid did arrive, though insufficient, but as I explained previously, the industrialization hinged on grain exports (the USSR being at the time a preindustrial society meant there was literally nothing else they could export) to import machinery and expertise to kickstart the industrialization. A delay in industrial development due to stopping the grain exports would have directly implied a Nazi victory.
There is absolutely no historical evidence of any intent of hunger against Ukrainians (unlike for example Israeli politicians explicitly discussing starving Palestinians to exterminate them), and the famine also killed millions of ethnic Russians and Central Asians. This is the consensus among contemporary historians.
The Bolsheviks correctly predicted that a delay in industrialization would lead to them being crushed by western imperialist invasion. There’s ample evidence for this even in the Western-edited Wikipedia article on Soviet industrialization:
From a foreign policy point of view, the country was in hostile conditions. According to the leadership of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), there was a high probability of a new war with capitalist states. It is significant that even at the 10th congress of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks) in 1921, Lev Kamenev, the author of the report “About the Soviet Republic Surrounded”, stated that preparations for the Second World War, which had begun in Europe
That was as far as 1921 but they couldn’t industrialize at the time due to the civil war, hence Lenin’s “New Economic Policy” which lasted roughly until 1929. Stalin famously predicted the start of WW2 down to the literal year in which it would happen. From a speech by Stalin in 1929:
We are 50–100 years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us.
This is the reason why the agrarian collectivization was carried out in such a hurried fashion and a famine ensued. There was ample debate about this in the party, but ultimately, the international pressure and threat of invasion was too great, and fortunately the Bolsheviks reacted quickly enough to be able to industrialize.
Between 1929 and 1939 (the eve of WW2), the Soviet Union grew its output by 15% yearly, a miracle unseen in history ever before. Thanks to this industrialization, the Soviets could manufacture the tanks, planes, artillery and rifles necessary to defeat the Nazis, whose explicit purpose was to genocide the entirety of Slavic peoples between Berlin and the Urals. Had it not been for the heroic effort of the Soviet industrialization, sadly a lot of which was brunted by Ukrainians, the Nazis might have won WW2 and genocided the entirety of Ukraine. Glory to the Ukrainians and all different ethnicities of Soviet heroes of WW2 who contributed massively to the defeat of Nazism with their own work and blood.
That should be done with internal propaganda, Cuba will never join the US.
Yes, due to the particularities of agriculture in Ukraine, not due to ethnic or imperialist reasons, so it’s not comparable to India or Ireland
Socialists have been saying it since NATO was created, maybe we were right all along?
France approved the 5% GDP expenditure requested by Trump to all NATO countries, he’s only pretending not to bend down because of public opinion
Can’t wait for Jizyah to be implemented on white libs mashallah
You’re making up that you’d get thrown in prison for criticism, and what does it mean that “not everyone is on an equal footing”? Surely universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, state-subsidized housing and food put a lot more equal footing than comparable Caribbean countries such as Haiti or Dominican Republic
It kinda is, it just looks less violent. War kills about 100k people yearly, US + EU economic sanctions murder half a million every single year for the past 50+ years.
Venezuelans in Spain
And yet Cuba has higher life expectancy than the US lmfao
Soviets didn’t have a “famine in Ukraine”, they had a famine in the Soviet Union caused by the need for extremely rapid industrialization started in 1929. If it hadn’t been for the rapid industrialization (which hinged on moving field laborers to factories in cities and was funded with the only product they could export: grain), the soviets would have lost WW2 and tens of millions more of people would have died.
The famine disproportionately affected Ukraine (and other agriculturally strong places in southern Russia and Kazakhstan), but the industrialization also disproportionately benefitted Ukrainians by liberating them from Nazism and saving tens of millions of their lives from Nazi extermination.
If you want some good insight on the soviet famine of the early thirties, I suggest you read Robert B. Allen’s “Farm to Factory”, it makes a very good economic analysis of it.
I would ask Cuba if they want to join the Union
And you’d receive a universal and resounding “no”. Cuba is its own independent country, with its culture and its ideals, much better than the USA. If you were a “super perfect” US president you’d be better off remodeling the USA to be more akin to Cuba lmao
The democrat murders the Palestinians, Iranians, Libyans, Syrians, Cubans, Venezuelans and black people just to postpone the election of Republicans by 4 years, hence the loop. The socialist meanwhile tries to dismantle the orphan crushing machine.