I was sent this map without a source but I thought it was impressive nonetheless. It shows the SeaWorld parking lot in yellow. The green dot is where Orcas spend their lives.
edit: This is Seaworld San Diego, California
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I know what this thumbnail is but I won’t view it at 100% because it makes me depressed. Why are humans like this.
This is why they maul people
Just another little reminder that if there is a God somewhere out there, they’re certainly not just.
And why I root for the orca when they sink people’s boats.
I refuse to ever visit a Seaworld/life/wtf because of this… it’s insulting.
Saddam Hussein
To be fair, if you put the Orcas in the parking lot they’d die
That’s for Orcars.
Go back to sleep, dad, you need your naptime. ;-)
That’s why I don’t like zoos, sea world or similar
To be fair a lot of zoos also act as rehabilitation centres or sanctuaries for animals. These zoos either rescue animals and while they are being rehabilitated are on display for education, or sanctuaries for animals that would otherwise die in the wild so they can live their life in comfort.
I don’t like sea world or zoos either. Also all the shitty safari places which breed wild animals so tourists will pay to see them.
But it’s also a weird position for many zoos who have now become sanctuaries for animals. My zoo, over the past decade, (according to their website) doesn’t buy animals.
During the pandemic, the cops raided some mansion of some drug lord and all the exotic animals were given to the Zoo, where they can live out their lives.
I think by law, all zoos should follow that philosophy and not be a tourist money making scheme, but a sanctuary for wild animals that were stolen by rich fucks.
You need a place where people can interact with animals so they can start to appreciate them. Not ideal for those animals, but not doing it will be worse overall.
You need a place where people can interact with animals so they can start to appreciate them.
So humans need irl interactions to show empathy?
Yes a lot do, example A… gestures at the US.
Have you interacted with humans? How can you ask something like that?
Have you interacted with humans?
Only when i’m forced to.
How can you ask something like that?
With a keyboard.
Hard to have empathy with what you don’t understand
Agreed… you still don’t require irl contact afaik… is grasping the concept of making animals suffer bad so hard to get unless you actually see animals suffering?
I tried to point out that we can only protect nature when people actually want that. Because it costs money and is inconvenient. How do you get people to like nature and not want to destroy it actively or passively? Zoos are one such way. There is no human-animal interaction that is inherently neutral or positive, it is always in some way bad for the animals.
the Philly zoo does a really good job with this as well. all the enclosures are actually decently sized, the animals are well cared for and happy, and they have an overhead tube around the entire zoo for monkeys and such. I let me season pass lapse as it was quite pricy but it every time I went I knew it was well worth it for an actually decent zoo that’s about a lot more than just money.
I went backstage at the Dolisney World Aquarium as part of a Scuba experience, and they said they didn’t have any say on whether the cetaceans on exhibit stayed or were released to the wild. They were all animals that had been injured at sea and were there for recovery, and a third-party decided if they stayed or went.
There was one manatee there they expected to keep for life because it always either rode on other animals or propelled itself by pushing off walls.
It’s awful how they keep them in captivity.
For anyone who hasn’t seen it, I recommend watching the Blackfish documentary.
I have strong feelings about the animals in the Sea World exhibits, particularly the Orcas and Dolphins. However, I contracted for Sea World Orlando for 5 years as an entertainer and often had to be “back-stage” or “back-area.” I watched Blackfish and it did NOT represent the experience that I, or any other team member I worked/talked with had. It felt very sensationalist and not grounded in reality (or at least, the reality I witnessed for 5 years). If you watch it, I’d just approach it with some scrutiny, because it really didn’t come off as a “documentary” to me.
Blackfish is the animal version of Supersize Me. While it genuinely does a good job showing the conditions and plausibility of the topic, it does it at such a sensationalized and over complicated fashion it takes everything away from the message.
Haven’t seen it, but that sounds about right
Like “Drive to Survive” for animal care, if I understand it correctly?
I’m unfamiliar with Drive to Survive
And do you think they represent Orcas realistically?
Blackfish or Sea World in general?
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Here’s something I don’t understand about these county-devouring parking lots: why are they all one level? Is it more than twice as expensive to build and maintain even a two-level parking structure and save half the footprint?
One thing America has in abundance is land.
The other thing is greed.
So if you’re ever asking " is this option really cheaper?" The answer is that they went with the cheap option.
ROI on even a 2 story parking lot is a lot longer than the one and much more expensive than double the price.
Paving is cheap, easy and other than drainage design is pretty straightforward. Put in drainage, grade land, put down bedding material for the asphalt, put down asphalt and curbing, paint line install signs.
A multi-story garage needs a ton of engineering, concrete and rebar and is custom to each location. Because you have a lot of weight in these structures
If you look at amusement parks that have parking garages most of them are land locked or purchasing new land for parking is so expensive it’s cheaper to build a garage
(Please note I’m am a layman about construction, there is probably a construction person or engineer that can explain it better just a theme park fan that likes reading about how the engineer rides and have occasional tumbled over into parking engineering which is a fascinating topic of how much engineering goes into it)
I used to work as a drafter at a precast concrete company. We mostly built parking garages.
You’re basically correct, paving for a parking lot is cheaper than building a multi story parking garage. A three level parking garage could cost about $20,000,000. And you still have to do the paving on the ground level. The parking garage needs engineering from licensed P.E.'s, hundreds and hundreds of yards of concrete, tons of rebar bent just so and placed just so, thousands of feet of high-strength steel cable, multiple trucks running from our plant to the site over and over to move the parts, then welders, crane operators, grouters, cleanup crew, finishers…
As opposed to just packing the dirt down, pushing some gravel over it, a bit of rebar and an on-site concrete pour.
From your last sentence, does that mean you still need rebar in a regular parking lot?
For concrete, yes. Asphalt, no. But concrete floors don’t need bent rebar, you just lay out the sticks in a grid and pour over it.
It is more expensive to build multilevel parking but its how the laws work. It might even be that the law required this much parking based on statistical models, which is insane if people are getting there some other way.
Imo we could reduce the size of parking lots by just requiring nearby businesses to allow unrestricted parking during their off hours.
I think sea world is old enough where the land was cheap enough.
Parking structures are something like 5-8 times more expensive per spot.
Cars constantly emit toxic fumes whenever they’re running. If you try to enclose a parking lot you need some extremely expensive and power-intensive ventilation. Maybe that’ll change as electric cars become more common.
Multi level car lots without walls are a common thing in San Diego.
Bro’s never seen a parking deck.
Just don’t build walls.
Yes, a lot of the time it is, depending on land acquisition cost. Plus you then have some amount of additional ongoing maintenance cost for the structure which is also more than just that of a surface lot.
Its actually worse than you think. The city of san diego owns sea world’s parking lot because of the original contract. The city sets the base price, and then the corp effectively doubles it cuz ofc they do. That’s also why the parking lot is allowed to be so large but the park itself never expands. The city will pretty much always let sea world lease the land for cheap knowing they ultimately get to fix what their guaranteed returns would be. Corporate greed is extremely strong with combined with local government.
Jesus. The SeaWorld parks in San Antonio and Orlando have a much better parking lot to park area ratio (though still fuck em for the animal abuse)
The yellow line in the meme is selecting quite a bit of area that isn’t SeaWorld parking, and it’s quite old too. On right it’s selecting some park area and the lot for a boat launch. On the left there is admin buildings and a Marina + parking for that. Check the satellite view.
Not that it matters too much to the point they are trying to make, but they didn’t highlight the entire orca area either. So an over representation for the parking lot and under for the actual exhibit surface area.
There’s also no good bus route to sea world
It’s not for poors
Are you kidding? The parking fee is an astronomical part of entry fees.
Crazy thing is that 15 min away are beaches where dolphins and seals will swim with you for free. I have seen 100s of dolphins and babies. One almost jumped on me by accident.
“Accident”
Don’t forget how rapey dolphins are
Is there a bus from parking to the entrance tho? Or you have to walk there like some ant? /s
No, you just go by car!
It would be good PR either way.
Well, “Aqua World” sounds better than “Concrete World”
