Yeah just to be clear I wasn’t saying that he is in it for luxuries and power

What an articulate and coherent point you’ve made!

I love this guy, the way he narrates it makes it all so funny, it’s like a South Park bit.

“This is abandoned, that’s abandoned, that store over there is abandoned. This little ride here? Totally abandoned.”

walks up to barricade of empty restaurant

“Ohhh yeah. You can just tell, that’s just toootally abandoned in there. Just absolutely abandoned… Oh man.”

I want an SMBC/Oglaf crossover on this topic

It’s always fascinating to me to think that the popes most likely do not believe that anything in their religion is actually true, and are only playing along with it because they either want the power associated, or in the case of this one seemingly, think that it’s an effective way of wrangling the opinions of the idiot masses. It really must be a very interesting mentality they have. A bit like a noble sacrifice in some ways, if weren’t for the huge luxuries and power associated with it of course.

Yeah tbh seems like a clear joke post to me

This is so cool, always wanted something like this. I have Dolphin but use it literally only to play Sunshine. I hope this supports multiplayer? My friends and I would love this

Edit: apparently multiplayer is possible yay

Yeah agreed. Lemmy is way better than Reddit in the sense that 30 feet underwater is closer to the surface than 200 feet underwater. But you’re still drowning either way. I mean, it ain’t quite that bad… But yea. People aren’t really any more free-thinking or open-minded here, it’s just that their opinions that they’ve stubbornly and thoughtlessly arrived at are generally more correct.

I keep thinking about making some kind of Lemmy community to contribute to a better culture, but not sure what it would be…

Afraid you’ll just have to keep scrolling and hope you get lucky!

You silly, posts being in the right community doesn’t matter as long as the post is valuable!

Great post, wrong community. Repost this in some kind of news community. Its not a meme

Not mod but it seems like from your own comment you didn’t want your link visible and you were asking if the markdown worked to hide it, to which mod responded “nope” and deleted the comment according to their perception of your wishes for the comment

I wonder why they’re being given paper and drawing instruments in the first place?

Yeah I think you’re probably right, I just find it good practice to keep my wits sharp to have these back and forths. But yea

I know you can buy used and refurbished actually, that’s how I got my pixel. It’s still buying a Google phone. It still breaks free from Google. You have now reached the point of just regular old illiteracy I guess

Thanks for taking the time to express your reasoning without being pointlessly sassy with me. It really sucks that just because I’m trying to express a sliver of devil’s advocacy here, I get people dogpiling on me and imagining me to be something I’m not. Frustrating and disappointing. Anyways I really appreciate your comment in light of all that.

I am an artist myself, I spend a ton of time making art and thinking about how to make more successful art, analyzing art, philosophizing about art, etc. Please believe me when I say that I understand the approach you describe as a value of art and a way of valuing art. I definitely think that one of the great joys of art is in thinking about the human reasoning behind it. I have cried tears of joy from doing theoretical analysis of baroque music, because I felt as if the composer was alive again by my side, so much did I understand the thought process behind the composition.

That said, I don’t think the approach you describe is the only way to value art, and I think we do art a great disservice to treat that as the only way. I believe in “the death of the author” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Author), and I believe that a work can have an intrinsic meaning that is possibly entirely different from the author’s intent. The essence of a work is the work itself. For example, imagine if you learned that The Bee Movie was intended to be a heart-wrenching metaphor for drug addiction. Would you now think that this is indeed what the movie is about? Or would you think “the movie is what it is, it means what its always meant, and the creator just failed to create what they intended”?

It can be fun to connect with the artist and look for meaning in their work through the lens of the artist, but the work has an intrinsic meaning in itself. Let me ask you this one question:

You’ve likely heard of the famous “shortest story” that goes like this: “For sale: Baby shoes, never worn.” Let us suppose that the author of this story had never written it. Instead, I’ve created a machine that randomly selects 6 words and punctuation written on pieces of paper from a jar, and lays them out to form gimmicky short 6-word stories. Most of these stories are gibberish nonsense, but eventually the machine just so happens to lay out exactly the text of that baby shoes story. In this case, does the story somehow no longer have meaning to you? To me, it seems as though the story must have the same meaning. The entire content of the work is the same. And to me this demonstrates that it is the work itself which gives the work meaning, not the intent of its creator.

~~Here’s a summary:

Your simplistic and idiotic worldview, and your unwillingness to consider being wrong, is not the clever own you think it is

Maybe if you need simpler thoughts you can ask an AI to boil it down for you~~

You know what, I’m sorry, I’m getting overly defensive from all the crappy treatment getting heaped on me for merely trying to have some nuanced discussion. It occurs to me that you may not mean to be dismissive or condescending to the extent that warrants such a rude response from me. I won’t delete my rudeness for posterity, but I do regret posting it.

That said, yes, my post is long, but truth is rarely simple. I am trying to stand up for what I believe is true, and I think that in my initial comment at least, I came at it in a very measured and polite way. When this is repaid with quips and one-liners and dismissive unthinkingness, it harms discourse for everyone. Sorry for contributing to that.

This betrays a deep level of tech illiteracy

Even though I explicitly said AI is often bad, that I dislike lots of AI generated content, etc. etc. Sure. But just because I say it’s not 100% always in every situation ever across all time and space pure evil and filth, it’s “slop”. Real intelligent.

I’ve made more art with my own two hands in the last year than you have in your whole life, no AI used at any point. But I’m sure that breaks your simplistic worldview so that’s probably just slop too.

No, you can’t argue against my reasoning, but just keep repeating your magic word if it helps you feel better lil buddy. Slop slop slop slop slop! Maybe if I say it enough everything I don’t want to face will disappear!