Same with them simping for people who put in no term limits, one party systems, and want to invade countries that don’t consent to it. Pretty much all the reasons to hate Trump.

I really don’t get it. Aren’t communists supposed to be power to the people for the people, and have the government fear the people as opposed their weird fascist movement they claim is communism? You’d think they’d push for stuff like rank choice voting to try to increase multiple parties, term limits, and government officials afraid of the people and politicians being imprisoned for corruption.

Not some return to a monarchy with a cult of personality they simp over like some slaves who want a master, and giving up the people’s power hoping to believe in the idea of a benevolent dictator. That these tankie figure heads are living lavish lives of luxury while the rest of the society in their so called communist country don’t is ridiculous to me. Just looks like money hungry pigs to me, but they get some scraps and think its communism while their lords live in multiple mansions.

Good billionaires would be buying out politicians to bribe them to pass laws that are beneficial to society and buying out companies to pay their workers more and be less damaging to the environment.

But…they don’t because that’s a fantasy like the idea that a person with super powers would act like Superman as opposed to becoming a tyrant like Homelander.

Tankies are facists. More I see of them more I realize they are non US MAGA. Both leaning towards being ultranationalists with love for cult of personality leaders, authoritarian governments, and one party.

Only real difference is healthcare, but the shared love of preferring to trust in what they hope is a benevolent dictator to tell them what to do and get rid of their enemies is a common goal. Neither seems to actually want a government that fears the people that can easily replace leaders they dislike or abuse their power.

Hard to call it propaganda when so many red flags had to be intentionally ignored to justify voting for them even if there was one stance you liked about them. Its why you heard so much gas lighting from supporters of its just a joke. You are over reacting. You are just a doomer. TDS.

They knew all the negatives about him. Its why they put so much effort into downplaying it.

I don’t like facism whether it is the US or China. I hate dictatorships. I hate for life presidents. I hate one party governments. I hate having to trust in the idea of a benevolent dictatorship. I want a government that fears the people and leaderships can be easily replaced as opposed to becoming centralized under one person because fuck kings.

Thanks to your comment I just realized tankies are basically MAGA overseas. Both share love of dictatorships and are ultranationalists who fall heavy into the cult of personality, and also drink the koolaid just as hard as MAGA do about what the dear leader and party tells them to believe.

I don’t even want to talk to you and you aren’t even as unpleasant as those who support maga ideals, so your whole just talk it out has been a failure from the onset. But, if you believe maga is even easier to talk it out and change their minds then go at it.

You aren’t even doing a good job of getting non Trump supporters to agree with you.

And if you don’t see supporting someone who wants to be a dictator, wants to get rid of minorities, hires white nationalists like Hegseth, threatens Canada’s independence, bombs Venezuelan boats, and has ties to the files as not evil then what exactly is evil to you?

Because a person who endorses that type of person and only complains when they are financially affected, but were happily cheering on the policies before hand sure seem evil to me. This isn’t like some disagreement about which food is better. What they fundamentally were in support of is red flags.

How do we even know if they are actually reformed and won’t go and vote for the next Trump who they believe will be more strategic about who they hurt so the right kind of people are left unaffected?

Expressing disapproval of Trump doesn’t mean they disagree with many of the things he is doing, since he has so far been truthful on all the things he said he’d do starting with wanting to be a dictator and Project 2025. Nothing is a surprise.

Only surprise is they thought only illegals and minorities would be affected, and that’s still something they want.

If she saw the future she’d still vote for Trump. The core ideology is something she agrees with and is happy with many of the policies being carried out. She’s just not happy about the random way it is being carried out that is leading to collateral damage to groups of her kind that weren’t supposed to be affected.

You can’t even bring together people who aren’t on Trump sides, so you are failing on your messaging from the start when it comes to your big proclamation of talking it out.

She hasn’t changed. She’ll vote for the next Trump who they believe will be more surgical when it comes to hurting people they don’t like. This is her basically telling the party to reduce the collateral damage. The ideology that brought her to support them hasn’t changed.

I’ve seen people say setting vpn to serbia or albania will have ads not show on twitch. Worked the few times I tested it out, but what country ads don’t run might have changed.

I don’t even get why they chose TDS. I like most people assumed it meant Trump supporters being deranged when they first saw it. Not the smartest choice to choose a phrase that requires them to explain they don’t mean them.

Better fighting to keep things from getting worse and worse then handing everything over to billionaires without any resistance. And if there’s one thing politics has been consistent on is that they don’t make our dreams come true, but they can make life even worse than it was previously. They got a real talent for that.

To even come to that logic in the first place you’d have to be fine with him stating he’s going to be a dictator and be fine with his racism and ties to Epstein.

So… I don’t buy the bullshit that they didn’t vote for people to suffer. That’s the Republican talking point used to gaslight those that accuse them of being racists. Equivalent of that’s not a Nazi salute its our hearts go out to you.

Try a different audience that will fall for it. Not here.

They see him as someone who finally made it acceptable again to say all the bigotry that they had to keep to themselves after years of suffering under a society that was pushing woke values. They see him as a hero that is taking the country back to the good old days and putting the undesirables away.

Sure there might be financial blow back that makes them angry, but the ideologies pushed override that and they will support him or the next leader that is bringing the country closer to their idea of paradise that has the right type of people and beliefs.

The biggest mistake I think people make is they automatically assume racists must be misinformed or tricked or stupid. When they can be intelligent and know more, and it comes down to simply not liking a certain group for existing and wanting to reduce those groups influence and population within their country. And that can be despite them seeing more of the world than other people.

I think this automatic assumption of wanting to believe they are dumb or tricked is why they have successfully gained traction, since people still keep underestimating their intelligence and planning. Its like people just don’t want to believe people can actually be evil at their core.

Yeah, lot of bigots are self aware enough to try to hide their hatred and point to other things when it comes to making what they support more palatable to those who might not be. They aren’t complete idiots like some immediately assume which is why they have been underestimated by the opposite side and gained such huge traction and seen increasing success.

Even the dumb ones don’t try to show the full extent of the bigotry, since they know there are still some in society who resist such ideologies despite growing embracement of it.

If they are intelligent then the xenophobia and desire for authoritarian government to push policies that would be difficult to pass is what they rationally voted for. For well off intelligent racists who might get along with some minorities but see them as exceptions as opposed to the norm Trump is doing a good job.

Got to not see it through the eyes of someone who is concerned about the economy, health care, or international relations. But, bigots who have a long term idea of the America they want and willing to suffer economically for what they believe is a better future for their kind.

And those who are intelligent are good at arguing they aren’t racist, which is why they are smart enough to come up with slogans like America first as opposed to ethnic cleansing and use of minorities in some positions to point as examples of how they are totally not racist.