Hi, dad here. I think you’re confusing two different groups of people.
Pointing out that there is a strong overlap in the two groups does not exclude understanding that there are plenty of people in just one of the groups
Hi, hungry here. I think you’re underestimating the overlap on that Venn diagram.
Cause it wasn’t “their” daughters. Remember, those same guys would fuck any other man’s daughter and expect it to be okay. They lack the mental skills to understand another person’s perspective.
And then Trump will call him a loser anyway.
Tangentially related, it bothers me people say things like “I have a daughter so I get why it’s upsetting” or whatever. It implies they wouldn’t be able to empathize if they didn’t have one. I know that’s not necessarily always the intention, but it just rubs me the wrong way.
Conservatives tend to score lower on empathy and have a more in-group/out-group mentality. So it is common for people to not think about different perspectives until they are personally affected. My favorite example of this is some article I read where a researcher ran small group surveys and asked people’s thoughts on trans people, and some of the responses were super specific like “trans people wear a lot of green,” or “trans people like bread.” And it was due to Jan from accounting or whatever being the only trans person they knew. So a single encounter shifts their whole perception and biases. There are a lot of people who grow up surrounded by people like them and have never had the need to see things from someone else’s perspective who is different from them.
I was more going for the split personalities concept. The same person can say they will kill you if you touch their daughter, but then sit down with their buddies and a beer and relive how heroic they were that one time with mary joe when they got caught and her father peppered the tailgate of his truck as he sped away. Pretty sure there are popular songs about the later. So it’s okay if they do it, but not if someone does it to them and theirs.
These same men also have a fantasy of picking up their gun and help their fellow American in a hostage or terrorist situation, but during covid, when they had an opportunity to help their fellow Americans by putting a fucking piece of cloth on their face, they refused.
It’s as if “helping their neighbor” was just an excuse in order to not sound self centered.
I feel like their version of “helping” was mostly “shooting people different than us.”
I don’t think this is the general consensus at all. The whole Epstein thing really ripped the MAGA tribe in half. There’s a lot of people over there that are upset about it.
I’d say it’s 40/60 with 40 opposed and 60 excusing it. But that’s still a chunk.
I’d say it can range from your 40/60 to 60/40 depending on the area. Where I live and with the people I know, there are a lot of libertarian leaning people (they say they’re conservative but they just aren’t) and they reeeeaaaallllllyyyyy don’t like Trump now. Then there’s the people that are “Red or Dead”. Those are the ones that match the online descriptions
50% are male in red states? /Maybe
MAGATS uphold rape culture but this dude is a hero and I for one would vote for him to be president and drain the swamp in 2028.
Not to defend pedos, but prison violence is not a good thing, even if in some cases it ends up affecting the “right” people.
My point exactly because this dude doesn’t belong in prison. He’s not a danger to society
If only the justice system properly punished pedos. But they don’t.
So until then. …
The pedos he’s killing are being punished by the justice system though.
Not really. The sentences are weak for the crimes.
You can rape and kill a child and only get 20 years. And serve half and get out.
What would be a just sentence though? If we’re going for “an eye for an eye”, you’ll quickly find that you run out of punishments for the most heinous crimes. And even if you can keep coming up with ways to punish people, it stops seeming like a good idea real fast when you accidentally end up punishing the wrong person.
It’s easy to say “this person deserves more” when you’re talking about an individual case, but when you’re trying to build a system that balances punishment, justice, rehabilitation, deterrence and protecting the public you’re never going to come up with a perfect solution that feels fair all of the time. But the alternative is making arbitrary decisions on a case by case basis, influenced by bias and personal feelings.
That’s not so say the justice system, especially in the US, doesn’t have big problems. But I don’t think the solution is to double down on harsher punishment.
Most sex offenders reoffend. So they either need locked up forever or be required to take drugs to reduce libido or something.
The U.S doesn’t invest in rehabilitation of criminals.
And our culture promotes sex crimes.
So at present. We have limited options to protect children and others who are targeted.
Most sex offenders reoffend. So they either need locked up forever or be required to take drugs to reduce libido or something.
I was interested and looked it up, but turns out this doesn’t really ring true. In fact, only a minority of sex offenders actually reoffend, and when they do it’s most likely for a different, nonsexual crime rather than a sexual one.
There’s a lot of interesting summarizing being done here: https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-5-adult-sex-offender-recidivism
It’s hard to get exact numbers though, as sex crimes remain underreported. It does seem however that psychological treatment for these offenders actually helps reduce recidivism rates.
It gets different when you get to repeat offenders; they are much more likely to keep offending after release.
You aren’t imprisoning pedos your increasing the kill count of Caesar Augustus.
I don’t see a problem here.
Their fantasy is not about justice for women but justice for their stuff being taken. Raping someone else’s kids does not invoke the same emotion, in fact they might be cheering it if the kids in question are from a different social group.
These MAGA dudes would also rape someone else’s daughter so it’s relatable to them
Most MAGA men are cowards. Buy a dozen guns, make threats, but when push comes to shove…they stay in their chair and flip on right wing media. They are nothing.
They are all weak men putting on a show of what they think a strong man is.
Just following Dear Leader.
Look at all the men driving big, loud trucks who don’t need a vehicle like that. It’s all projection
Because to them it’s only an issue if it affects them personally. If it’s someone else’s kids, they don’t care.
Most conservative double-think like this boils down to a lack of empathy.
I’d also argue that it isn’t really about the daughters for some of these men. They rather fantasize about being in a situation where it is socially acceptable to use violence, because they want to use violence. They want to be the hero, which requires a crisis.
They might still not be in favor of pedophiles running around freely, all things considered, but they’re certainly not going to be as strongly opposed to it as their violent fantasies might make you believe.
To expand on “it’s only an issue when it happens to them”, having been raised in a very conservative environment I was told that bad things happened to bad people, and that if something happened to a “good” person, there was probably something we just didn’t know about. That thinking offers a false sense of security because as long as you’re not a bad person, bad things can’t happen to you.
It usually takes something bad actually happening to you to break the illusion and get someone to actually start questioning their world, which is hard work. Life is so much easier to live with your head in the sand.
I have the feeling americans have low empathy, at least it shows in shows, films, tv, reporters, successful musicians (except DP), politiciabs (they don’t even fake it) … Basically every aspect of the usa culture.
Is this true or is it cliché?
It’s not because they care about the act, they just see their daughters as property and don’t want their chattel ‘defiled’, with exceptions for personal use.
These same men would think it an honor for Trump to rape their daughters.
The reason seems rather to be that these people are deliberately and very demonstratively protecting their own underage daughter because they are fully aware of what their “conservative” peers have in mind for her.
✅ Don’t have a daughter.
✅ Don’t have a truck.
✅ Didn’t vote for Trump.Aw truck nuts!
When a pdffile comes along, select it and press shift + del.
Honestly this type of mental disconnect is absolutely a thing and it baffles me to no end. These guys are just cosplayering a parody of the “manly man”.
