• TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    The Russian government is a rogue, hostile entity at this point and it needs to be dismantled. There is no way a peaceful future is possible with Russia still existing as it does today.

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    2 months ago

    How about money for reparations, and cede Russian land to Ukraine for starting all this bullshit.

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    2 months ago

    You fuckers put Trump in charge. You’re still not getting what you want but for a totally different reason this time.

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        They don’t vote for this either. Stop trying to press the idea of you are with us or against us. That shit is exactly what got us into this mess!

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          Nah. There was a clear choice between letting shit get much worse, or picking a sane-ish candidate.

          FPTP means you don’t vote for the candidate you like the most, but rather the candidate that will do the least damage. Even if you have to hold your nose. Voting for Kamala at that point wasn’t a vote for her but a vote against the orange turd.

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          Sh, jerboa doesnt like free thinkers. Just propaganda. I mean why acknowledge we’re living in the most peaceful time in human history…when they’d rather track down a Phillies karen.

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    Have to admit its a smart play from the orks.

    1. Rebase the western position to your previous position by convincing a narcissistic senile moron to adopt it.

    2. Move your new position to complete takeover of Ukraine.

    3. Agree to “compromise” on a new agreement that is considerably better for you than your original position.

    • BeautifulMind ♾️@lemmy.world
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      Have to admit its a smart play from the orks

      Rhetorically it’s clever, sure, but effectively it amounts to demanding unconditional surrender or else they’ll continue to lose until demands are met

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        Putin’s leaked position at the start of this(read: take with truck of dubious salt) is that Russia had a potential armed forces pool of 25 million people.

        As far as I understand that statement, until he burns through most of that, he likely won’t see himself as losing.

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    2 months ago

    He does not want peace. He demanded a capitulation, didn’t get one, and is now pissed that his American asset failed to deliver.

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      2 months ago

      Technically be wants peace, almost every violent aggressor throughout history has wanted peace… On their terms.

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    2 months ago

    A rapist doesn’t get to demand ownership of a portion of their victim. Go fuck yourself.

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    Crimea and Donbas sounds like a good compromise, but if accepted all these people have basically died for nothing. History aside, Crimea is ethnically Russian and wants to be Russian. Donbas is much the same but wants to be independent instead of Russian, which is basically what started the war with pre-government Azov massacring civilians in Donbas that didn’t want to be Ukrainian anymore.

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          dontcha love it when an obvious propaganda trollbot exposes itself in the first move?

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              Bro you’re literally suggesting appeasing an invading aggressor who has shown that no matter the international agreements, no matter how many times they’ll promise “okay we stop now”, they’ll continue their warmongering.

              There’s no appeasing people like that. When they come up with such a ridiculous demand, you don’t consider part of it, you send back an equally ridiculous demand of your own. You don’t let them control the game.

              Also, that whole “Crimea is actually russian” bullshit talking point is literally Russian propaganda. It’s only “sort of true” today due to forced relocation of local Ukrainians to who knows where and allowing Russian nationals to move in after the annexation. Russian population was actually declining from the post-WW2 forced relocations.

              Also an area having a large ethnic group - even a majority - gives no right to the home country of the ethnic group to annex the area. If that was a right, e.g. Hungary would’ve had a legitimate claim to most of Transylvania, Slovakia, half of Slovenia, the border regions with Croatia, Serbia, Romania, and even parts of Ukraine. Hell, imagine how easy it would be for a county to use the EU open borders to mass emigrate to another country, establish ethnic/national majority in a region just in time for census then claim that territory…

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                I said history aside. We can’t change that ethnic Russians were put in Crimea around 100 years ago. Do you want to displace the generations that have been living there ever since to “right the wrong”? Because of their ethnicity? It’s essentially the same thing as Israel being created in Palestine except Crimea doesn’t expand every year.

                It’s about ending bloodshed in a place that has basically never seen peace. I feel like the best way to achieve that is to let the people that live there decide. Last I checked they overwhelmingly chose Russia. If those elections are disputed for whatever reason, run them again if it ends the conflict but the west doesn’t get to decide it disagrees with the election if the results are not in their interests.

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                  I’m genuinely impressed at how far up your own ass you can get your head. Go suck Putin’s dick