PieFed.caTrams are Great! So why are the Streetcars SO BAD!?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhQxNHrD6fA
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/33240497
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Some of this stuff is infuriatingly true about the Melbourne trams too, like there being too many stops and then the intersection light going red just as the tram is ready to set off again. Also, getting kicked off for early turnaround cos the schedule is so fucked.
cerementNot a good recommendation. I was hoping for a relaxing NJB video from the Netherlands, instead I was screaming at my screen, getting more and more infuriated with every new chapter. And haven't even been near Toronto in my life.
See you later, I have to go find some Valium.
I’m saving this one for later today when I have time, but came here to say - when I visited Toronto I was struck by how bad the streetcars were. The way they’re done is like busses, except they can’t detour because rails, and they block two lanes of traffic at many stops because they run in the middle two lanes. So they’re held up by car traffic and traffic signals, and themselves contribute to car traffic by blocking the road. And they allow parking in the outside lanes. It’s a bad system. They should give the trams dedicated space. Take the cars out, put in a bike lane and give the trams space.
But isn’t this the city that’s ripping out bike lanes
Jerkface (any/all)Not a good recommendation. I was hoping for a relaxing NJB video from the Netherlands, instead I was screaming at my screen, getting more and more infuriated with every new chapter. And haven't even been near Toronto in my life.
See you later, I have to go find some Valium.
Does anyone have an explanation or link to the video where he talks about needing streetcars and a subwat that serve the same stops? He references it a few times in the video but doesn't explain why he thinks that and I'm currious.
Believe he talked about that in a bit more detail in another video about trams. I think that video was titled “Trams are the G.O.A.T” or something to that effect.
But essentially, and iirc, trams and subways serve subtly different purposes. Sure, at the end of the day, they move people between points, but the difference lies in what you can get between those points. Running trams at ground level close to shops means that they facilitate local foot traffic, and makes it easy for people to just get off and go get what they want to easily, sometimes at the moment they see what’s on their way. They can do that without the need to get up and down via stairs / escalators / lifts. Sure, you could check out a map to know where you wanna go, but where’s the serendipity in that?
Subways are great for faster point-to-point travel, especially if you don’t need to visit any of the areas between those points. Trams are generally slower than subways cause, at the end of the day, even if you give it priority on the surface, you are still close to humans on foot traffic, and there are points where you’ll have to slow down to not make people feel unsafe, even if their path is predictable.
I believe when he went over that part in the video he was commenting to what cities sometimes do when a subway is built under a street, they rip out the tram lines at street level as a default.
I believe the comment was that if a subway is under a street it would serve less stops (greater distances between stops), where a tram at street level would serve the same stops as the subways but with two or more stops in between subway stations.
Toronto as a example has a subway with a bus line at street level. Though it only operates the bus line if the subway line is shutdown. With the two operating at the same time it would decrease some of the crowding at rush hour and allow the bus to serve the intersections between subway stops.
It seems redundant but its similar to needing to jump in a taxi after leaving a subway station to get to a stop in between stations. Also, one thing to note is that not all people are in the same situation, some people may be older, some may have mobility issues, others may be lugging around heavy items like luggage.
Having a tram at street level would make it easier to get around a city while a subway would help get out of the city.
Feel like it might have been talked about on his podcast "The Urbanist Agenda". He's done a couple episodes about Toronto with RMTransit.