It’s a pretty good video, but of course it’s only a few perspectives and I don’t want to fall into the trap of thinking they’re universal. Anyone else with more please post.

holy shit

step away from the lathe of heaven

These discussions happen where they happen organically. People are being serious in this thread. “It’s /c/slop” isn’t a reason to make light of that.

I ended up posting it to popculture. Let me know if you want me to credit you by name for the recommendation.

Please don’t make light of this. It’s clearly deeply painful for everyone involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKgdiyI_TCI

You might like this video. I haven’t finished it yet, but so far it has some valuable perspectives. @Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net recommended it to me, it’s by Poddy Mouth, a black creator, and includes the perspectives of black people with tourette’s.

Thanks.

As always, sink the island.

Poddy Mouth had a good response to the whole event. Featured some black people with tourettes too.

Can you link this? Or even better, make a separate post with it? This sounds incredibly valuable in this situation.

I’m not dismissing the importance of speech, but it is easier for people (especially without disabilities) to engage with the concept of ableist speech/wording than with a lot of the other, more difficult aspects of ableism.

(and every black people who saw the event because the BBC care too much about views to censor the incident apparently)

I am convinced they did this intentionally to stir up controversy and distract from the censoring of pro-Palestine activism at the expense of both black and disabled people.

Look at the removed comments from that user, it gets worse.

Edit: warning that they’re pretty terrible comments, if anyone reading this does look.

No, but in this case I think it’s good to apologize for the harm done due to the nature of it, even though it was unintentional.

TBH the BAFTA organizers and broadcasters in particular really handled this as poorly as they could have. A lot could have been avoided by making sure people were informed and prepared, censoring the broadcast, better accommodations for Davidson to try to avoid this sort of scenario, etc. I think they milked this for the controversy on purpose and to distract from the censorship of pro-Palestine activism, there’s no other explanation for the editing of the broadcast.

I don’t think it’s fair to say the PoC in this thread are rage-baiting. It’s dismissive and callous and not true.

Disabled people are. This reply is beneath you.

Yes it’s the existence of a disability that pissed BlackRedGuard off and not the onxionous displays of hard-headed whiteness

I was replying to your comment there, not BRG’s. The marginalized identity being potentially harmed here by the contextless statement in the tweet “a lot of slaveowners were disabled” is disabled people, not white people who are not marginalized.

No you’re not “saying” that’s what he’s doing, you’re just implying it

I’m saying he may not have meant to do it, but it in my opinion had the effect of promoting ableism. This is separate from the racial aspect and does not take away from the point there.

“the existence of disability doesn’t negate the impact of racial abuse” (which you happen to agree with by the way) yet BRG is still somehow in the wrong because…implications… Ok.

If this was BRG’s point (which makes sense) then I agree with it. However, I feel it was expressed in a careless way which harms disabled people. That may not have been the intent, but sadly it may have been the effect. This doesn’t negate the racial trauma behind it, or indeed the correctness of the point that black people have a right to be traumatized by slurs regardless of the intent behind them.

As I said in my reply to you in the other sub-thread, I don’t think I’m going to be able to reply to you further in this discussion without hurting you and myself more. This is a difficult and traumatic topic for everyone involved and I don’t want to keep triggering those issues for both you and myself when I don’t feel we’re going to resolve this with this conversation.

They don’t deserve a quick death. Make them pay for what they’ve done.

I didn’t really want to get into it in this thread, so I responded to the initial comment with a light-hearted joke about killing slave owners (well, it’s a joke but slave owners did deserve to be killed of course). However, the underlying implication in that comment (and also in yours I think) that living with disability is a fate worse than death did bother me and does IMO express a very normalized form of ableism.

I want to make sure to be 100% clear that I am not accusing you or @deforestgump@hexbear.net of being malicious here. As I said, this notion is normalized and structurally integrated into most societies today. I just wanted to make this comment because I felt that it was important to point out. Disability isn’t a punishment that’s greater than death (and the idea that it is has been used to enable genocide - though again, I don’t mean to accuse you of this of course). Disabled people are still alive and their lives have equal worth to those of people who have no disabilities (although it’s more proper to say no disabilities so far, since many disabled people are disabled by circumstance and not birth).

I love that image by the way, it gets me every time.

There’s already been one disabled black girl harassed off social media for explaining that coprolalia is real and John Davidson is not a racist for his outburst.

Well, I hadn’t heard of this and that’s just depressing.

Again, the pain people feel here is very real, on “both sides” (they’re not really sides in reality of course). I wish there was a way to fix these things easily, but with these types of trauma involved people (on “both sides”) have reasonable and understandable reactions that can make discussion very difficult.

So I’m going to do the only thing I can, which is defend disabled people and not budge an inch. I’m not going to be abusive, but I refuse to back down because the person I’m talking to has a different identity, unless we’re going to start applying that to the disabled.

I understand.

I didn’t mean to condescend to you and I’m sorry if I did. I don’t think I’m going to be able to reply to you further in this discussion without hurting you and myself more. This is a difficult and traumatic topic for everyone involved and I don’t want to keep triggering those issues for both you and myself when I don’t feel we’re going to resolve this with this conversation.