There was some “debate” a liberal was having recently. Think it was with Hasan but don’t remember. The usual “lesser evil” bull shit. They were talking about healthcare and saying “well, if 100,000 people die without healthcare under Republicans and only 70,000 die under Democrats. Clearly that’s better”

It’s like, dude, you are just advocating for killing 70,000 people.

Simon doesn’t fuck around.

Technically it’s record breaking wage theft.

You gotta remember that most people today supporting Palestine and understanding what was done to Gaza was a genocide are recent things.

They hit a breaking point after two years of genocide that could not be denied. These are the same type of people that were “always against it” after the fact.

This is how it goes. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again, etc. They don’t actually have a means of understanding it until they see the aftermath. They don’t look at the material interest and where they will inevitably lead. They are only capable of reacting to the results. And until there are results they will only listen to the intentions. The intentions that they read in media. Not the real intentions of those that own that media.

I’m sure, you, personally understand this. I’m mostly just leaving this comment as an opportunity for the few that WILL be able to think through the media narratives.

The media is going to tell truths about Irans human rights violations. But it will ignore the same for Israel for decades. Why? Because it doesn’t care about those violations. It cares about how it can make you believe what it does NEXT is justified.

“left of centre” is doing a lot of work there.

Not only in your obvious British spelling of center but in the other obvious way. You Brits turn your nose up on Trump supporters but for some reason fall for the same garbage war propaganda. Hell, even our MAGA voters are turning against Trump on Iran intervention. Are you guys ok over there? Are you just larping as MAGA supporters on that island?

It says a lot when you call the guardian “left”. I swear you guys are further behind class conciseness than folks in the US southern states.

Calling an institution that reports to and serves the interest of capital “left” basically destroys all meaning of the word.

Or are even you Brits using “left” to mean “liberal”. Like, have we exported our American brain rot that fucking hard?

It’s cute when British people think they’re not just a colony of US imperialism. I know I know. You have your royal pedophiles the same way we have our pedophile billionaires. It makes you feel independent and sovereign.

Maybe you’re not British. But I hope you are. Even American hogs know the Brits are dogs to whatever American rulers want.

Dude. The war mongers jumped on this thread. When I initially replied to your comment it was top. Lemmy is becoming like reddit. It’s fucking pathetic how many “anti trump” libs are onboard with bombing a country into freedom.

I think you mean “is it below 50 thou”

You win! You made it to the bottom of the useless comment thread of one person making an assumption that was never said. It’s fucking exhausting. You deserve a break. Get some water and go stretch.

Yes. That was literally my point mate. That news outlets lie and print shit that isn’t confirmed. Thanks for understanding my initial comment this deep into the thread.

I wasn’t “duped”. I was literally pointing out the bull shit coverage in my first comment.

I never once said I thought that number was real or that I believed the outlets that spread it.

Look dude. Just because you were not paying attention to articles at the time doesn’t mean I’m wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewIran/s/mEVnnKEJ4w

This same shit was spreading around social media and many news outlets printed “some estimates inside Iran put the number at 80,000”.

It was bull shit and every single outlet that printed it has modified their reports since. I’m not sure why it’s so hard for you to believe that the media grabbed the largest number they could and ran with it for a day.

I’ve shown you where this number came from. It’s not “just a post on Twitter”. It was from inside the country during a total internet blackout. The media ate it up for a day because there was nothing else coming out of Iran at the time.

Why is this so hard to understand? What evidence are you looking for? Because it’s gonna be tweets or “way back machine” articles from Fox/NewsMax or Israeli newspapers. I’ll find them tonight if I have time. But you are just as capable of looking.

Yes, believe it or not, I made a comment about something that I literally saw happening in real time and didn’t bookmark. Fuck me right?

I’m not sure why you are acting like I’m the one that said there was a valid verifiable report of this. My initial comment was literally talking about how people were lying about the numbers and saying it was “reported as 80,000”

This was the propaganda going around Twitter. A “report” can literally just be someone from inside Iran reporting on it. Which is exactly what that tweet was.

Maybe I worded my comment poorly? I was pointing to the absurdity of a number like 80,000 being taken seriously. And now for some reason you want a verified report of that? I’m so confused.

To be clear. I wasn’t saying it was credible.

https://x.com/i/status/2014484450315293173

This was the one going around at the time I was talking about. I know there were articles at the time citing this as evidence as well. But, it looks like that’s been purged from most articles.

I know that number was spoken on Fox News as well at some point. But I’d have to dig for the clip. Just the usual, “some reports saying as high as 80,000” vague propaganda from a guest interview.

It’s insane. Gaza is over two years of bombing turning it into a parking lot. Like, many people have been killed in Iran during the recent months. It’s just gross to report numbers that are not physically possible.

I saw one report that MORE than 80,000 in 2 days. The last time that many people died in such a short amount of time was when we dropped two nuclear weapons on Japan. Did Iran nuke itself? Like, how can anyone print that number?

Not to mention, the solution to this is apparently for the US and Israel to do exactly what Israel did to Gaza to Iran.

Edit: Everyone just purposely misunderstanding my comment below.

(1) I never said or implied the 80k number was from a credible source.

(2) I sure as hell never said it was the guardian.

(3) Pointing to “more” credible sources on the numbers is not related to my comment. All sources at this point are SIGNIFICANTLY less credible than the very conservative “Hamas Run Health” numbers that all of you libs discredited for over a year. Stop getting excited at death tolls that, at this point, only serve to justify MORE death at the hands of US intervention.

(4) Any number printed by western media or it’s organizations should be questioned BECAUSE of their aligned interest with Israel and the interest of American Imperialism. Iran is NOT a US Ally like Israel. Any coverage of its REAL human rights violations will be reported in the same way it would Hamas.

(5) The Iranian people are my concern. The people using “death tolls” to further US intervention are the same idiots that would have supported the invasion of Iraq. And yes, this includes the “sources” inside Iran begging Trump to come bomb their country with freedom.

I was literally simply saying that at the time of the protests and Internet blackouts that the media went spreading unverified numbers to grab clicks. One of which had it as high as 80k. A number spread on social media and printed as a “some say” in garbage outlets that just wanted to get clicks for numbers.

I provided two sources of this bogus claim below. And I never meant it more than a comment about how false information spreads online. Especially when it favors the narrative of a demented old man we call a president.

Fucking liberals are are so war hungry that they are more focused on nitpicking a comment critizing the spread of pro war propaganda that they’ll be upset when you point it out.

I was in the same spot in 2023 trying to explain what lead to October 7th. In 2-3 years maybe you’ll understand why you should be critical of any reports and justifications for US intervention. Whether that number is 20k or 80k. You’re missing the fucking point.

DOES USA INTERVENTION MAKE IRANIANS LIVES BETTER?

Iraq and many other countries can tell you that answer.

It never left. They just changed from

“oh man these communist are so evil. Look at how little they pay their workers. We’re forced to move all our industry there.”

to

“Oh man, these Chinese “stole” all of our shit when we moved our entire industry to their country to exploit cheap labor and now they are ‘cheating’ by beating us at capitalism by doing communism too hard.”

Trump just reveals the man behind the curtain. Even more so now that he is dementia Don and has no filter.

I can only hope I succeed in raising my kid to be as awesome as this kid.

As an American that has the privilege to enjoy a lot of unique things here. Yellowstone is the top. As long as you’re looking for a unique place and like nature. If you’re a tourist that loves shopping or beaches you can get that elsewhere with better public transit. Yellowstone and Joshua Tree are the best of the US as a tourist in my opinion. If it ever becomes safe to travel here those should be top of your list.

Joshua Tree can be a combo of LA or Vegas or even San Diego and Mexico. But, unfortunately, Yellowstone is hundreds of miles away from any meaningful civilization. But worth it. Joshua Tree is second on my list and is still 10x less amazing than Yellowstone. And I loved Joshua Tree.

Not being able to control anger is definitely bad for health. Letting out anger at things that should make you angry. That’s just human and healthy.

God damn. Comment hit hard. No notes. I just wish the people in the US realized that even the monarchs of Britain are being “punished” more than the equivalent rulers of our similar class structures that exist in modern day with just different names. Our “Epstein class” (capitalist class) have less punishment than modern day monarchs.

The punishment of the monarchs is to become a rich capitalist with no titles. The punishment of the capitalist is nothing.