The Holodomor literally is Nazi propaganda though? It was started by Nazi Germany and then later perpetuated by Ukrainian Neo-Nazis
Like, this isn’t a niche claim, this is a documented fact.
You can just look it up.You used to be able to just look it up. Now search engines don’t work.I tried looking it up
It’s just talking points to counter this claim.
I think “just looking it up” in this era of deliberate miseducation is easier said than done
Fuck, okay a couple years ago it was easy to look up, but search engines don’t work anymore
It’s crazy how accessible information once was. I could find years old comments Iade on forums wby typing out a portion of what I wrote and the website name. Obscure videos with 12 views would come up if properly named. Souch of the internet is lost behind shitty indexing and I don’t believe for a second that SEO and AI alone are responsible for it
It sucks so bad. I wasn’t trying to a dick like “Oh just look it up,” back when I looked into it it was very easy to find that information
We so quickly went from a world where so much information was easily available to one where it takes special skills and a lot of work to be able to sift through and actually find what you’re looking for.
Agree. It’s very hard to find evidence online, and when you do you just know that it isn’t going to hold water with liberals who will discount any source that isn’t Wikipedia.
The “Holodomor” is a name used to refer to the '32-'33 famine that was coined as part of a revived campaign to paint it as a genocide, but I’ve definitely also seen some people use it as a way of just referring to the famine with fewer syllables, but the way that they are talking about it doesn’t make any sense either in terms of how collectivization relates to the famine or what a kulak is (the description they give is of a poorer strata of peasants, kulaks had enough land to have other people work it).
Incidentally, the kulaks were overwhelmingly not the people who died during the famine (let alone from the famine), it was peasants with no or very little land who were dying, because the reason for the urgency of the collectivization wasn’t that kulaks simply owned the land (which was still seen as a problem) but the fact that they were hoarding grain to profit from the famine, hence collectivizing their property to distribute resources to the people who were starving.
Lastly regarding the history, I’m pretty sure part of the reason Goebbels did this genocide lie to start with is because it was rhetorically useful for Ukrainian fascists of the time like the OUN-B, so it’s not just Neo-Nazis.
Also, “socialism is individual workers owning the means of production that they personally use” is the most pathetic distortion of Marxism. What you’re describing is fucking yeomanism! You know, like the ideology of Thomas Jefferson (not that he would ever condescend to being a yeoman himself). Even the usual bastardization of the meaning is at least talking about cooperatives, but anyone who bothers to actually read Marx understands that it’s not cooperatives but the proletariat as a class having control of the entire means of production, because a central part of the point is to eliminate the “anarchy of production” by coordinating the labor and use of resources across society.
Never mind the distorted view of history, I hate these fuckers for being such ridiculous snobs about “refuting” Marxists when they don’t have enough correct knowledge of Marxist theory to fill a single page, double-spaced. It’s the epitome of how liberals like to perform shower arguments to each other instead of actually present their arguments to someone with any interest in saying something other than “so true, bestie.”
Once again, we see how libs have zero curiosity and are as just as anti-intellectual as reactionaries. They don’t even read socialist theory as opposition research. They’ll platform literal nazis trying to understand them, yet fail to do the same for leftists. It would read as arrogance if they were capable of defining terms. Instead, they look like babies throwing a tantrum.
Makes it easier for me to feel nothing for them when we start compiling the purge list.
Pulling on Deng’s name when they have never read anything he wrote, listened to any of his speeches or investigated at all his beliefs and political line. 白左 never cease to amaze me with their unlimited arrogance to speak authoritatively on things they haven’t even looked into not to mind attempt to understand.
白左
I thought this term was about people who were too in favor of immigration and accepting refugees? I don’t see how it’s applicable here.
Maybe? But in my circle 白左 usually refers to Western liberal progressives who spend all their time moralizing and being performative, often focused on identity or humanitarian rhetoric while ignoring material conditions or imperialism. Like those who call for regime change in Iran for women’s rights or the destruction of Gaza for gay rights.
It can mean either, partly because it’s used by a spectrum of different political factions to mean different things, from Chinese communists to dogwater chauvinists
I’ve only seen it used the way QinShiHuangsShlong references
I think I first became aware of it via (CW: reactionary shit) Tucker Carlson
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Lmao at the one who seemingly got annoyed because “THEY LIKE SAYING WORDS UGH I HATE READING.”
We are so doomed as a species bro haha
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Ah yes, we are the “Beverly Hills Marxists”, and not the literal US government funded, Hollywood liberal ideology, that they are espousing. Certainly, we are the ones occupying the Beverly Hills, condescending to the masses on high, and not the actual liberals who literally control what major media projects get funding and stories get told to the masses.
The current liberal status quo is derived from the “Beverly Hill Marxist” positions of the 20th century. All the wealthy do gooders who read theory to be hip and co-opted working class language to weasel their way into power and do nothing.
Didn’t Obama brag about reading Marxist literature so he could fuck girls?
I don’t think “working class” politics actually exists to these people, it’s just another aesthetic that sections of the ruling class can wear.
The slop channel is not good for my soul. Also lol at that guy not knowing what a Kulak is.
Insanly rich people are just workers that own their massive means of production. Dont you know?
Just need to point at the EU to show where social democracy leads to
Those three jokers in the middle screenshot, Pip, Handle and Zoe; do they think they are not proletarian? I suppose they could be petite bourgeois but I’m going to vibe-infer that they are PMC who don’t see themselves as workers and think the proles are those dirty blue collar folks that work with their hands.
Very much PMC vibes, having been around and even dated these types.
Jeff Bezos is a worker who owns a whole bunch of means of production and yet the commies don’t seem very happy about that, hypocritical much?
Why are liberals obsessed with preserving the social dynamics that led to the holocaust? They fucking love the kulaks.
There’s substantial polling to indicate that the proletariat even in America is, by majority, far more progressive than the Democrats. That doesn’t mean they’d spontaneously support the best thing every time, in fact they clearly wouldn’t, but that’s the point of a vanguard, to take political theory seriously as a field of study and agitate to raise the consciousness of the public beyond where it would fall spontaneously (which, again, is still further than the status quo).
I’ll begin treat this “missed a century” shit as though it even merits a response when these fuckers abandon the much older ideology that is liberalism.
when did liberals start worshipping deng xiaoping? when did liberals find out who deng xiaoping is?
They’re at a very Chinese period in their life but still can’t accept Mao
i’ve never seen anyone like deng before they liked mao. incredible stuff.
Some western socdems reconcile China’s growth purely to the expansion of market presence in the PRC, deeming it entirely capitalist but that that’s a good thing. They see the modern PRC as fundamentally different from Mao-era China, and not as built atop it. They usually don’t know that markets and private property existed under Mao, nor do they understand that the modern CPC upholds both Mao Zedong Thought and Deng Xiaoping Theory as critical to their success, alongside Xi Jinping Thought.
Further, they don’t realize that Deng Xiaoping Theory, while important, isn’t deemed as fundamental as Mao Zedong Thougt or Xi Jinping Thought, being relegated to “theory” rather than “thought.” It’s pure selective bias.
i also didn’t know the part about the xi jinping thought. in your opinion, is it going to guide china for the foreseeable future or is it not going to outlast the man himself? i guess my real question is, what exactly does xi jinping thought add to chinese socialist theory that makes it its own thing?
Xi Jinping Thought is what is driving the CPC ideologically for Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era. It’s essentially Marxism-Leninism applied to China’s current position as a rising socialist power, and retains both Mao Zedong Thought and Deng Xiaoping Theory. There’s quite a lot that goes into it, but it describes how China does what they do today.
I can’t predict if it will outlast him or not, but I will say that that’s very likely. It’s enormously popular.
Ive seen three or four, same group though, theyre generally east asians who have hatred for literally every government, imagine that issues are largely thanks to old men, and despite that mostly are pro-western because their hatred only reaches so far for the west
they consider deng least evil, that he saved china from mao
They are gonna have an interesting time if they read Deng’s literature and find out he was a huge Mao admirer and implemented Mao Zedong thought in nation building.
Honestly, I agree with the posters. Stop being a nerd
Time to start my vibes based politics era.
