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    Hamas tortures people when they speak out against them.

    As do the IOF. On an industrial scale.

    I’m not endorsing the atrocities, but at least Hamas are committing them in the name of liberation as opposed to on behalf of the occupation forces of a fascist apartheid state.

    While you joke around and pretend to support the Palestinian people, actual Palestinians are being tortured and killed by Hamas. IOF

    (At least) equally true and much more relevant.

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      are committing them in the name of liberation

      Brother, they themselves know they can’t win AND they’re also a Mossad asset. They only managed to do Oct. 7th because Netanyahu allowed it AND they expected the world to stop Israel after they inevitably responded with even more violence. They also torture and kill actual leftists. You CAN, in fact, not support the movement spearheaded by religious fascists started by their own enemies to undermine an actual worker’s movement, even if their enemies are 20 times worse.

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        You CAN, in fact, not support the movement spearheaded by religious fascists started by their own enemies to undermine an actual worker’s movement, even if their enemies are 20 times worse.

        I am keenly aware of that, yes. Which is why I DON’T.

        The closest I ever get to it is when pointing out to Zionists that them existing and committing fewer atrocities DOESN’T make the apartheid regime and its actions legitimate.

        You don’t need to endorse them or their actions to do that, so I don’t.

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        The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) and Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) are leftists and collaborate with Hamas . It is so idiotic to focus on Hamas first then Israel when it is Israel who want all Palestinians expulsed from their land . People do not support Hamas ideology they support exclusively there armed resistance for liberation. I am pretty sure if the occupation end most people will not want Hamas in power and would even support holding the remaining leadership accountable

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          That, my friends, is how you end up getting executed after you’re done being useful. As an anarchist you should know firsthand about how collaborating with fascists, red or not, gets you nothing but a bullet to the back of the head and a mass grave.

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            Israel is the occupier yet your problem is with the imperfect resistance groups. Do you know that vietcong was also killing and torturing oponents would you have supported the occupiers the american terrorists?

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              It’s not the fact they’re imperfect, it’s that fact that historically, ANY LEFTIST that collaborated with either stalinists or fascist resistance groups always, and I mean ALWAYS, ended up dead. You’re essentially saying as a white first worlder that Palestinian leftists should just risk their own well being to ally with fascists that ARE GOING to kill them once they’re no longer useful to the cause.

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                The fact is that hamas is the one who is replying to israel occupation if you don’t have a nuanced view of resisting groups you are supporting the occupier

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      Whataboutism. Whatever you say doesn’t matter to the people Hamas is oppressing.

      And really how has the violence of Hamas benefited the Palestinian people? Like at all?

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        Whataboutism.

        The post is about the hypocrisy of Liberal Zionists. If anything is a whataboutism, it’s dismissing that by pointing out the (irrelevant) issue of Hamas’ atrocities.

        Whatever you say doesn’t matter to the people Hamas IOF is oppressing.

        Fixed it for you again.

        And really how has the violence of Hamas benefited the Palestinian people? Like at all?

        Again, this isn’t about whether or not the actions of Hamas are justified or effective. It’s about Liberal hypocrisy.

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          So “liberal hypocrisy” is worse than torturing people?

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            Nope. Stop trying to spout strawmen and whataboutisms to distract from the crystal clear point you’re willfully ignoring.

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              I’m supposed to ignore the fact that Hamas tortures people? I’m supposed to ignore the fact that Hamas has objectively made things horrible for the Palestinian people?

              While you make jokes and memes, while Palestinians in the parts of Gaza Hamas still controls are being tortured. You don’t care about Palestinians, you only care about conforming to meme culture.

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                Nobody said Hamas was perfect. But dont forget the main reason Hamas is classified by the west as a terrorist organisation is because that’s how Israel likes it. That’s why they installed them into power in the first place. It gives them carte blanche to murder the fuck out of them, while western allies turn a blind eye to the killing of more terroristsbrown people. If you think of Hamas as freedom fighters against a genocidal colonial occupier then things really start to take on a different perspective.

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                I’m supposed to ignore the fact that Hamas tortures people? I’m supposed to ignore the fact that Hamas has objectively made things horrible for the Palestinian people?

                Nope.

                You’re not supposed to make every criticism of Liberal Zionists about how “Hamas is bad, mmkay?” either, though. That’s known as whataboutism and deflection.

                While you make jokes and memes, while Palestinians in the parts of Gaza Hamas still controls are being tortured.

                Mostly by the fascist apartheid regime whose supporters I’m making fun of, though.

                You don’t care about Palestinians, you only care about conforming to meme culture.

                What kind of baseless nonsense is that?

                Methinks the Zionist apologist protests too much 🙄

                Fun fact: “meme culture” has more sympathy for Palestinians (including even Hamas) than the fascist occupation forces because HUMANS do in general.

                You don’t have to “conform to meme culture” to ridicule Liberal Zionists, you just need a tiny smidgeon of awareness of what’s happening in occupied Palestine and the most infinitesimal understanding of scale and balance of power.