Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

  • n0respectEnglish
    2817·
    7 days ago

    Dang and I just made this account too. Time to find a new instance… Any recommendations? How is lemmy.today?

    This whole process has looked sus to me. And on top of that, I don’t think voting by up/downvoting the post itself is a good way to call votes — it means a minority can pass a rule without it being even seen by the majority (not sure that matters in this case). Voting should be done in a top-level comment.

    • алсааас [she/her]English
      183·
      6 days ago

      The vote was literally pinned instance-wide for a week and it passed with an overwhelming absolute majority, with a majority of comments (of various active and established users) calling for a defed instead of just community bans

    • kcweller@feddit.nlEnglish
      214·
      7 days ago

      Did you not read the rules for joining DB0 before you joined. They clearly state a full anti-zionist stance right there.

      • n0respectEnglish
        12·
        6 days ago

        eyeroll yes. Do you think I support zionism?

        • kcweller@feddit.nlEnglish
          5·
          6 days ago

          No? I hope not, or joining DB0 would be a completely strange action. But you seem to think that their explicit rules on Zionism would not mean that they would act on a zionist-bar-like instance.

    • db0AEnglish
      161·
      7 days ago
      • it means a minority can pass a rule without it being even seen by the majority

      Why do you think that?

      • AzzuEnglish
        12·
        6 days ago

        People might not see the stickied post, for whatever reason. I’m mostly on X hours top, which hides the thread if older than X hours. Or someone could just not use Lemmy for a week. There is no notification or similar, no email alert.

        • db0AEnglish
          5·
          6 days ago

          I would argue that this would be the minority of users, not the majority.

          • AzzuEnglish
            11·
            6 days ago

            Are there stats for how much voting eligible users there are, and how much of them actually vote on governance topics, or see (click on) governance topics?

      • n0respectEnglish
        11·
        6 days ago

        I think I wasnt thinking clearly. sticked posts it doesn’t matter what the up/downvote ratio is, its still gets pushed to all. COrrect?

      • n0respectEnglish
        55·
        6 days ago

        You people are worse than reddit

    • agentant (He/Him)@lemmy.mlEnglish
      4213·
      7 days ago

      I don’t see a reason why you should. It’s not like the vote didn’t happen for good reason. There’s no good reason to speak to genocide apologists.

      • n0respectEnglish
        1814·
        7 days ago

        Its this kind of bad-faith accusative argument that I hate most, from wherever it comes.

        • agentant (He/Him)@lemmy.mlEnglish
          93·
          6 days ago

          I don’t see how it’s bad faith to call an instance that has taken a stance in favor of a genocide "genocide apologist. They are doing genocide apologia. If you aren’t a genocide apologist, you should leave the genocide apologist instance, same as leaving the nazi bar if you aren’t a nazi.

          • n0respectEnglish
            21·
            6 days ago

            I have not seen evidence that the plurality of that instance is in favor of genocide. Im open to evidence. and ofc maybe I’m just not observant enough. But i have not noticed the majority in favor.

      • hakase@lemmy.zipEnglish
        2239·
        7 days ago

        Uh oh, if .ml is defending them db0 really is a lost cause.

        Edit: Holy tankie brigade, Batman! They’ve really crawled out of the woodwork for this one!