I used to think the Nurgle faction was undercooked and incoherent as a concept, like who the hell would want to get sick on purpose and worship disease?
Now I get it, the bricked boomer mindset that says "I'm special, I can take it" the idea you can conquer illness thru ego and wield it against your enemies
The extent to which this clown has turned into an internet-wide lolcow is a good sign in terms of the wider cultural vibes
Three long years ago rancid monsters like Andrew Tate were becoming global cultural icons for young men and now that same age demo is memeing turds like Clavicular into oblivion
Delusional woke scolding liberals who systematically miss the forest for the trees and seem to always suspiciously lay the blame for society's ills back on the left that isn't in power
Hmm, where have I seen this tired formula before? seen-this-one
Everyday I’m shocked at how many popular “leftists” on the internet (& in my personal life) don’t mask. I want leaders & educators to look up to but can’t help feeling betrayed, confused, and honestly embarrassed for them about their lack of awareness or care.
Does this strike you as a person who cares about orgs? What they seem to care about is feeling superior to their parasocial crushes online
The "forest" is the obvious fact society's cavalier attitude toward covid is not the fault of the left and certainly not the fault of whatever individual popular leftists ticked that user off, but instead of grappling with those basic facts and constructing an analysis that can lead to actionable practical corrections made by both orgs and individuals, the libs in that thread want to moralize ad nasuasum as if the wider left is in any position to dictate health policies for anything other than the most irrevleant spaces
Hoisting your leadership on a pedestal and refusing to allow them the right of exigency and practicality is selfish behavior
The left is not in any position to organize society along health-friendly lines, yet every lib in that thread seems to think they live in a reality where that is the case
It's a refusal to grasp functional context is any serious way, and instead confuses demoralization with nominal notions of accountability, in other words next to useless crap
but instead of grappling with those basic facts and constructing an analysis that can lead to actionable practical corrections made by both orgs and individuals
It's not a matter of "we can't be expected to either" and more a matter of accounting for reality and doing something other than moralizing at the void
And the reality is that masks are easily procured and distributed where it is possible, which is a fair amount of places!
Are you telling me or American Society in whole? I mask, you think you're gonna tell me something I don't already know?
That is not a matter of logistics and lack of holistic analysis, but a matter of will
Well you better hope that's not the case, cause if it's a battle between your will and the dumb atomized mass of American society, then you're gonna lose
So maybe we should take the need to perform a holistic analysis a little more seriously
Where is your analysis?
There's no united left media ecosystem that can provide a counternarrative to the dual threats of covid denialism and liberal post-pandemic assurances, orgs serious about combating these scourges should be collating long covid data and testimony and sensationalizing it at arenas of media virality like town halls and school board meetings, a mirror strategy to the right's anti-woke crusades at local level during the Biden years.....that's just the start
This is nonsense. You describe a situation where we are not allowed to ask or expect anything of our leaders lest we be deemed selfish
The ability of leadership to exercise exigency or practicality does not make them immune to critique or assessment; in fact when we do away with the distracting idealism, we open the path towards a more competent and rigorous application of constructive critique that actually cares about results rather than the appearance of propriety
Should our forebears have decided that to fight against racism in a fundamentally racist society was impractical, that to fight against homophobia in a fundamentally homophobic society was impractical?
Are you under the impression none of those movements engaged in pragmatism or the practical application of theory? You think they weren't shooting from one adaptive strategy to the next, you think they were all squeaky clean angels without a problematic bone in their bodies?
You mention my "idea of revolution", I wonder at yours
...and they say I'm a "doomer"! Then what's the point of any of this? You've proven the scolds right.
You do understand organizational success is independent of your individualistic WILL? Covid denialism is the result of organization, not willpower, so unlike the scolds in that thread we collectively have to counter-organize against it. And we don't do that by blaming covid denialism on the left......
Hence, we're back to seeing the forest instead of the trees, which was my whole point the entire time
As far as I can tell, it's pretty easy to figure out; first (unlike the scolds in that thread) recognize the left isn't to blame for Covid denialism; second, elevate the right of remote participation as a universal expectation (something most VTuber groups have figured out) while maintaining the right of leadership and members to organize in certain contexts (particularly outreach) without constant referral to hazmat protocols
And third recognizing the fight over Covid awareness has been temporarily lost due to the sheer nonexistence of organized leftist counter-messaging
All subject to constant reassessment and adaptation as conditions improve or worsen
Nah, I'm cogent enough to recognize there are real solutions to problems
There's no united left media ecosystem that can provide a counternarrative to the dual threats of covid denialism and liberal post-pandemic assurances, orgs serious about combating these scourges should be collating long covid data and testimony and sensationalizing it at arenas of media virality like town halls and school board meetings, a mirror strategy to the right's anti-woke crusades at local level during the Biden years.....that's just the start
Meanwhile, someone screaming about how they can't take leftists seriously because they don't mask is the definition of inaction inertia
It's much easier for leadership to (for example) lead by example and wear masks
It's also easier to alienate new or potential members due to the dominance of covid denialist narratives in social discourse, and that conundrum shouldn't be met with its own denialism in turn
What's needed far more urgently is not simply COVID consciousness in orgs but also COVID awareness among society at large, and that requires counter-messaging and large-scale media organizing to pull off, which is why a focus on remote participation should be seen as a crucial tide over until said conditions improve
Then the power of example through masking will regain the valence you're looking for
I was quoting myself in response to your claim I was advocating inaction
Are we not allowed to vent on a Reddit post?
I've masked for almost six years straight and have caught covid four times, if you want to vent go ahead, but I'm done with useless reddit threads, I refuse to be demoralized by bullshit like that, there are solutions to these problems and at this late date I care only about results and wins
I'm not talking about dedicated anti-maskers, I'm clearly talking about the average maskless Joe who thru ignroance or inattention is liable to confuse your org for a health support group rather than an instrument to wield political power, in that scenario it's not tailism you'd be facing, it's irrelevance
......Unless that maskless Joe was already primed by sensationalized but accurate accounts of long covid, a Joe who wonders whether the aches and pains he feels daily are the results of the ravages of covid, suddenly a masked org isn't a barrier to entry, but a cultural signal that tells that Joe "these people have their heads on straight"
You do understand it's not tailism if you're actively engaged in a campaign to shift public sentiment for the purpose of aligning your orgs aims with a newly widened pool of people
Or did you think I was just bullshitting when I wrote these words?
What's needed far more urgently is not simply COVID consciousness in orgs, but also COVID awareness among society at large, and that requires counter-messaging and large-scale media organizing to pull off
Your claim is that someone would go to a meeting and just by virtue of the organizers wearing masks, assume that they walked into the wrong one?
YES! Have you met the average American these days? When people ask me about the mask I wear at work, I'm not met with hostility, but instead confusion "why are you wearing that, did something happen?", "are you sick?", "is something spreading around, should I wear one?" all questions average Joes and Beckies have asked me in just the last six months
So yes, unless they're primed, the typical American will dismiss or confuse your org for an irrelevant sideshow; that's me pointing out an IS not an OUGHT
"The masses are reactionary on this issue, so we shouldn't be too progressive on it to avoid alienating them"
That's not what I fuckin said, how many times do I need to use the words "counter-messaging" and "primed" before you get what I'm lying down? If I wanted to say we should follow the public's reactionary lead on covid, I would just say so
Instead I'm talking about CHANGING that reactionary sentiment so that combating covid not just in our orgs but in society in general becomes easier, telling the average American dipshit they have long covid is not catering to the anti-mask agenda and castigating a bunch of morose liberals who seem to think demoralizing is best practices in terms of combatting covid denial is not me dismissing the concerns of the disabled
I'm literally saying we need to change the public's opinion on something so our goals become more realizable and you're calling me a fuckin tailist over it, that's funny
Again, the difference between an OUGHT and an IS, and what to do about the IS, so we can get to your OUGHT in a way that doesn't involve your dreams
We like to say that they're the same, but there seems to be some kind of difference. In the USA, a liberal will usually prefer wine, foreign cars and food and media, basketball, CNN and The New York Times. A fascist will prefer beer, American cars and food and media, football, and Fox News. One votes for Democrats, the other ...
The difference between them lies in their respective tactical philosophies toward class collaborationism and working class submission
Liberals have a totemic fetishistic belief that civil governance and credentialized proceduralism are enough to discipline the critical mass of the working class, leaving the rest to be policed piecemeal
Fascists believe a codified racial regime of exterminationism is necessary to keep capitalism viable and view civil governance and proceduralism as obstacles to realizing that goal
Liberals don't have an innate opposition to concentration camps and genocide; they simply believe they are unnecessary......until they don't
That's why it's always important to view fascism as a mutated form of liberalism, the Hulk to liberalism's Bruce Banner
Let's be real, western cultural dominance in pop culture will collapse because of AI, there simply doesn't exist a correction mechanism so the problem will continue to get worse as execs double and triple down on this ego driven malinvestment
Ten years from now, popular culture will be unrecognizable and most likely predominantly Asian
Also I was half joking, im surprised how many comments there were to my stupid post
It's because "@midwest.social" is taken as a liberal bat signal here, hexbears will always think the user is a lib being dead serious without the hint of sarcasm or irony
Don't know what to tell you, we keep getting libs with lib takes from that instance, and we have no toleration of liberalism here, not at this late date
You've made one crucial error, you're assuming people open to our political thought are ideological liberals and that the majority of the population are the same
They are not, the average person is idiosyncratic without any firm commitment to ideology beyond unconscious conditioning, those people are not liberals and are open to persuasion and that doesn't require tolerance of liberalism
Ideological liberals on the other hand are not persuadable, they are committed to the project of advancing capitalism and will kill me and you for a paycheck
There is no advantage to our position in pretending liberalism holds any truths which is what toleration would require
They do not tolerate our worldview and seek to undermine it at every level of society from the lowest internet forum to the halls of congress, we have to do the same to overcome that chilling effect
Something, something.........The capitalist knows his remarks are frivolous.....something, something......They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors
And what tactical or strategic advantage is offered to working class movements we are involved in by uncovering this hidden truth?
This seems to be the crux of your argument, and I have to ask, can you seriously not see the obvious? The mother of all radicalizing catalysts has dropped into our laps and you're asking of what tactical or strategic use this is to the workers movements?
How about millions upon millions of people radicalizing toward revolutionary sentiments because they've realized the capitalist class aren't just wage thieves but also murderous pedophiles who target their children?
How about the myth of liberalism dying in the minds of countless people when they witness these pedos continue on as if nothing has happened, exploding our pool of recruitment?
How about the utter exposure of the vast Isreali global spy network and the further discrediting of zionism in the minds of libs who didn't care about dead Palestinians?
As marxists we shouldn’t be hyperfixating on Epstein as the keystone of everything “evil” on earth
We as Marxists shouldn't focus on how the capitalist class organizes amongest itself socially and how it leads to radical evil and depravity?
Things such as “epstein was working for Mossad” - ok, that may well be true, but does it change our analysis of Israel? Does it affect how we view the settler-colonial relationship?
Of course it does! It reveals the US empire isn't simply obsessed with zionism for the sake of religious derangement or a slavish devotion to a 1950s conception of global resource management, but that large swathes of the American capitalist class are actively compromised, explaining their maximalist positions concerning a genocidal rump state that undermines US global soft power and cultural hegemony
I get this feeling that doesn’t sit well with me, that this is becoming some grotesque spectacle of “true crime”
The problem with "True Crime" is that it never implicates the capitalist class, the Epstein case clearly does
We already know that there are 10,000 ultra powerful, ultra wealthy people who control the world, who act with impunity, who are all interconnected and who all have bourgeois class solidarity that the workers can only dream of at this stage.
WE know that, those of us who over the course of years already climbed the mountain and peered over the ridge, but that doesn't describe the vast majority of people, who don't conceive of the world the way we do
Whether because of a lack of exposure to socialist thought or because the kayfabe of liberalism blinded them, we have no right to scoff at any opportunity to raise the veil
I mean if you can't even properly identify the implications of a simple case like Epstein, then I'm not surprised you didn't understand a word I said all those months ago, which unlike the simplicity of the Epstein case, did involve some hard-boiled thinking
Nice dodge, let's get back to you not understanding basic theory
Congratulations, you have unlocked Russiagate: Israel Edition - yet somehow more liberal. The ruling class has a class interest in operating the way it does. The idea that some puppet master is controlling things is the most liberal take imaginable and totally anti-marxist.
I never claimed Israel is the all powerful puppet master, I said they've actively compromised a large swathe of the US capitalist class, which partially explains why the US state takes a maximalist position toward the puppet state that is Israel
The puppet can have agency and class interests of its own that lead it to undermine the puppet master in certain arenas, even tho the US maintains ultimate control in the end by weight of its infinitely larger control and access over the global capitalist system
Your narrow mechanistic interpretation of class just led you to overlook one the most crucial aspects of class; which is how it socially manifests and how that manifestation impacts the allocation of capital beyond the textbook imperatives of the circuit
The manifestation is this case being capitalists utilizing pedophiles for blackmail and acquisition of leverge
You understand things can compound, it's not one or the other, I never claimed 100k went on the streets of Minneapolis because of Epstein, but it's ridiculous to assert the average American isn't paying attention to the Epstein leaks or that they don't care about it, polls show the opposite, discourse all over social media shows the opposite
The average American viewing the ruling class as pedophiles is a boon to organizing and the socialist movement in general, even while some are organizing directly against the fascism that is gunning people down in the streets
The indirect influences of radicalization isn't something to just be dismissed out of hand
I just want to point out the people downplaying the Epstein files are the ideological rules based international order liberals and their media puppets
The people pissed off are the average Joes of the world who are correctly outraged at the existence of a world spanning pedophile network with ties to intelligence, even tho they don't have the technical vocabulary and knowledge to situate this cabal into the wider capitalist network
The capitalist class is not a monolithic entity; it is factional and tied to various concentrations of capital that settle around specific forms of commodity production and arbitrage (the Oil Barons, the Tech Lords, Wall Street, Legacy Media etc.) We've born witness to the exposing of a major decades old intelligence operation by the CIA and Mossad to utilize pedophiles for the purpose of blackmail and leverage, ensnaring a wide assortment of capitalists and capital supporters from a wide pool of factions
This reality is born right out of the unpunished criminality of the CIA and the state/capitalist self-preservational logic of the settler-state of Israel; this is an operation that took conscious advantage (proven by the most recent released files) of the fall of the Soviet sphere, kidnapping and trafficking young girls from Russia and Eastern Europe for the sake of political networking
This operation didn't require the ensnarement of every single capitalist on earth to work, they simply needed some of the most powerful, and they got all the ones they went after, because your assessment that capitialist production doesn't lead to moral depravity is incorrect, to be a capitalist is to devalue the lives of workers and their families, to set aside humanity to keep the circuit growing, the capitalists are human who through the pressures of competition and the imperatives of capitalist produtction transform themselves into anti-humans just to keep afloat
This is precisely why the moralistic vs. mechanistic binary is bunk theory no matter which side you fall on the binary
Also the whole compromising thing with Mossad is a bit unconvincing considering that Trump is constantly in the files yet nothing has actually happened to him
Trump broke containment in 2016 to become the avatar of carbon extraction capitalism, and he's done nothing that would warrant Israel challenging his status and the question you should be asking is why would they risk it anyway? You think the Israelis would risk alienating the MAGA base anymore than they've already done? Blackmail doens't have an infinite shelf life
If the planet's gonna die and everything on it with it, why drag it out this long? Just end it all at once and quit putting innocents through the ringer while fascist pedophiles get everything they want and live a life of luxury. ...
No, we're gonna win, I have nothing but contempt for the fascist scum and love for the human race, anything else is just rebellious ego. Drown it in either contempt or love, but never despair to the point you try to convince yourself you don't care, because it's a lie
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lmao US Rare Earth stocks just ate shit because of a Reuters report that claimed Trump behind closed doors "won't guarantee a minimum price for U.S. critical minerals projects"
This generation of US capitalists are so ideologically blinkered they can't stomach the idea of state financing or state planning of critical resources lol, China has won, it fuckin won che-smile
You think they would've learned after the utter failure of the Mossad operations; there is no social basis for US imperialism in Iran, the Iranian right-wing opposes it, and the delusional pro US liberals are a discredited and socially isolated minority
The more bombs drop, the more the ironclad nationalist spirit of the 80s that solidified the revolution in the first place reemerges
The American pigs learned all the wrong lessons from the fall of Syria when they should've been paying attention to what happened with their war on Yemen and how easily Iran pulverized Israel last year
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Hasan Piker speech at University of British Columbia in Vancouver ( www.youtube.com )
Self-described "anarkiddie" sp4ctral has thoughts on winnie the pooh and Holodomor
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Nurgle's strongest soldier
Status... Arrested
Whoops did the looksmaxing racist make a boo-boo? Oh no!
"How do you take any leftists seriously?" from r/ZeroCovid ( old.reddit.com )
Thought this might spur some decent discussion. Lots of libs in the comments but a few good points made.
What really is the difference between liberals and fascists?
We like to say that they're the same, but there seems to be some kind of difference. In the USA, a liberal will usually prefer wine, foreign cars and food and media, basketball, CNN and The New York Times. A fascist will prefer beer, American cars and food and media, football, and Fox News. One votes for Democrats, the other ...
.world community manager thinks tankies have an agenda ( lemmy.world )
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just launch them into the sun already.
Hollywood Is Losing Audiences to AI Fatigue ( www.wired.com )
Can he take credit for that?
Hate Fascism? Then you should support MORE Fascism.
Imagining him typing this while sitting on the can at 1 in the morning shidding and farding about the Grammys and reiterating that he has not, in fact, ever been to Epstein Island.
"George Slopadopolus" is a good one though, I'll give him that
Hot take: people are giving themselves epstein derangement syndrome (and that is a bad thing)
Disclaimer: I don’t want this to come across as downplaying the suffering of the victims, or the horrific nature of the crimes. ...
Reddit peaking
[Organizing] How to get people to actually DO things?
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Who's getting, or gotten to a point where they're thinking "I don't care what happens to this world anymore"
If the planet's gonna die and everything on it with it, why drag it out this long? Just end it all at once and quit putting innocents through the ringer while fascist pedophiles get everything they want and live a life of luxury. ...
Sanders Says 'Not Another Penny' for ICE Until Kristi Noem, Stephen Miller Are Gone | Common Dreams ( www.commondreams.org )
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Bulletins and International News Discussion from January 26th to February 1st, 2026 - A Powerless Ukraine
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