The same process is done to cows that will be slaughtered to meat, otherwise the farmers wouldn't be able to selectively breed and would be risky to the cows (cows have a high risk of injury when getting mounted by a bull). Farmers find a bull with the desired fenotype, buy his semen and impregnate the cows in the same manner you see pictured by OP.
Hell yeah! Morals are just a suggestion, lions eat their young, but I can't? That's bullshit and we all know it. If you wanna argue against eating our young (just the disabled ones, of course), please keep that melodramatic stuff out of here.
isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?
Non-human animals aren't moral agents and can't be subjected to the same moral outcomes that humans have. The same way we can't say a hurricane has done something immoral.
Non-human animals are moral patients. When moral agents act immorally upon moral patients, the agents are responsible.
It may not be in your local grocery store but try seitan. You can make it from vital wheat gluten or even just from wheat flour, if you're willing to use some elbow grease.
Tons of people? I don't see why not give them an easy entry point to go vegan. They're already used to hyper palatable foods, providing an alternative that's hyper palatable as well is better than not.
i am building a 3d printed Stargate with lights and sounds using a D1 mini and a DFPlayer mini. The code is from this github repo: (https://github.com/spradlinb/Stargate_3D). when i compile the code in the Arduino IDE i get a SPI error as depicted in the image. I've tried remapping the gpio pins with no success. what am i doing ...
Undo any code changes and try setting your board version and the libraries to the latest version they had when the code was uploaded (jan 28 2024). Usually this does the trick when trying to build older code for Arduino.
Why limit compassion from any that really want to live? Being human should not be a prerequisite for being a subject of compassion. I understand defense is needed against biting pests, but animals being used are not that but defenseless beings in captivity, from the demand from any of us, who could choose differently, and have ...
Just one thing: veganism is not about protecting animals, just not exploiting them needlessly.
Getting nutrition isn't 'going out of your way'. This is something you have to do no matter what. Veganism is just going 1 or 2 aisles over in the supermarket and fetching the alternative to the animal explotation. It's not like volunteering, protecting people’s rights, stopping climate policy rollbacks, scrolling social media, or even playing video games. It's just changing an action you daily take to another one with similar effort level.
By your semantics, someone who doesn't abuse children can say they protect children from abuse. If someone comes up to me and says "I protect children from abuse", I interpret that completely differently from "I don't abuse children".
The same could be said about boycotting companies that [are doing something]
If you truly are against doing something, can you support it while being against it?
"a vegan is assumed to be a sanctimonious, hyper-sensitive liberal freak"
You could be a living counter-example to that perception, prove lots of people wrong and normalize being vegan in our society.
You can be vegan and do outreach. I've been doing outreach for about 6 months and got tens if not hundreds of people commiting to go vegan. There are lots of people that are compasionate towards animals and just don't know what they're supporting. That maximizes the impact and you don't have to say 'animal exploitation is bad' while partaking in it (i.e. being a hypocrite).
"I’d rather eat meat that’s already prepared than watch it go to waste"
If you're not waiting for the animal explotation product to be thrown out and are at the table consuming it, other people are creating the demand for this product in your name. If you're commonly having meals with this group, even if you wait until it gets thrown out, they'll make more knowing you will get the leftovers and the demand will increase specifically because of you.
Why are you questioning the motivation behind someone trying to do a selfless act? An act that could even be described as altruistic. How does knowing OP's motivation helps you and OP convince their relative?
I'm just asking questions so I can help you help OP.
Just use your interpretation of best when you said "better" advice in your original comment. Seems like the metric towards "best" is "more likely to actually help".
Also, you can give a few example of motivations that would end up with the strategies most likely to actually work. Maybe OP didn't think of these motivations themselves, but they would adopt when you state them out loud for us.
But coming back to my main point, I still don't see how the motivation could dictate strategies most likely to help.
On giving guesses: you could just give the strategy you think will be the most effective in helping and then pair the strategy with motivations if you think it's still necessary. That way you can really help OP be the most effective. If you don't do that, just sounds like you wanna critique and whine about OP's motivations.
On the motivations behind the same actions having different consequences: you are correct, it really sounds like you've avoided the question. When people have read and understood books, they usually are able to bring the argument in themselves.
Here I'll give you a simple counter-example of the exact same act with two different motivators and the same consequence:
Person A wants to help and asks person B in some specific way: "Do you wanna learn how to read?" The result is: Person B answers yes.
Person A wants to look good and asks person B in the same specific way: "Do you wanna learn how to read?". The result is: Person B answers yes.
Even if the motivation behind the same exact act would change the consequences, you'd have to demonstrate that's true instead of vaguely pointing at literature.
Depending on your perspective and your environment, there might be a hopeless amount of bad things going on. Things like war, potential war, increasing income disparity, fascism, capitalism, big tech taking over, AI bubble, etc. etc.. So how does one pull out someone who is exposed to an unhealthy amount of negativity like this, ...
There are some people that low hanging fruits and are much more prone to change. These will be the ones who already agree with some basic aspect of the view your trying to show them. For example, say you're trying to show people veganism is the way to go. Then you try to outreach people who agree with the pillar of the idea: needlessly exploiting animals is wrong. If the person disagrees with the cornerstone of the idea you're trying to instill, is worthless to continue the conversation. There will be plenty more agreeable people.
Investing your time on these targets will make much easier to change the Overton window and from there, with enough activists, some sort of snowball effect should start occurring. Like the civil rights movement or the suffragists in the US.
To expand a bit on stubbornness: as I've said in another comment, invest your time on people who agree with the basic idea of your position but disagree with the conclusion.
When you go talk to those people, avoid telling your opinion. Use the Socratic method to make them walk step by step towards the conclusion (see this video, pay attention to how he poses open ended questions). This way, it's the interlocutor arriving at their own conclusion instead of you pushing your ideas on them.
Keep in mind that whenever you start debating, you've lost the opportunity to make them see what you see. Debates are only useful if the target of your activism is someone listening to the debate.
If you turn Vegan, eating wise, & are strict (no cheating) about it, then you will eventually (if you started overweight-obese) will never be overweight-obese, for as long as maintain being a strict Vegan. ...
If I help some mentally handicapped homeless women with newborn children, do you think it's OK for me to milk these women since I'm helping them? Even if their milk taste the freshest?
Veganism is about not exploiting animals when you don't have to.
Even in your scenario, there can be cruelty involved: the hatcheries you get your chickens from also grind the day old male baby chicks. These genetically modified egg laying hens that put about 1 egg a day have a huge strain on their bodies compared to what their natural counterpart used to be (red jungle fowl), laying about 1 egg a month.
But to reiterate, veganism is about not exploiting animals.
One thing is a system that depends on exploitation. These systems should be abolished, like exploiting animals for their flesh or secretions.
Another completely different thing is a system that contains exploitation. These should be improved, like underpaid/overworked employees.
There is no hypocrisy in that. It's not a dichotomy where you need to exploit either an animal or an human. Just go vegan and also advocate for human rights.
You say that as if migrant workers aren't exploited to make animal products.
When you buy a meal, you have 2 options: contribute to animal exploitation (that probably contains human exploitation) or not.
If you know which companies exploit humans, it's on you to denounce them publicly and not support them.
Until you can name these companies so you know what to avoid, you can be sure that any animal product you get is the result of animal exploitation (and probably human as well).
Why not compare to home crops, then? If the person has resources to produce the animal feed (so they can ensure there are no humans being exploited, right?), they surely can grow crops to directly eat.
Until now you were arguing that buying plants would incur in human exploitation. But now that I've argued for the least exploitative scenario, you came up with 'responsibly sourced plant options at a reasonable price'.
So now we can get plants without exploiting immigrants, right?
Then there's no need to exploit animals, simple as that
There's a way to get cheap and ethically sourced plants when they're destined for animals
There's no way to get cheap and ethically sourced plants when they're destined for humans
You're missing that humans are also animals and we eat some of the same crops non-human animals eat. The human exploitation you're arguing against doesn't magically disappear from crops grown for animals.
People feel they are 'doing enough already', which I really don't get. If you changed yourself after leaning that these animals have to die for you, why not change again?
!Nb6? Even if you meant Nb7 or Nb5, then black Rxg8+ followed by white's Rxg8+ is not mate in 2. I duplicated the ponies so it's easier to see, even in this position is not mate Position in question!<
"We likely can't stop child abuse but we can make it less cruel, let's just do it on less sentient children". What kind of crazy take is this article? "Dairy = medium bad" 🤮.
This has nothing to do with veganism. Welfarism is exploitation with lipstick.
My most respect to activists that take direct action, but we should protect ourselves so we can have a continuing impact.
This type of activism can be good because it makes the news, but if there's no follow up the impact is limited. Especially when the abusers get to push this narrative:
Petaluma Poultry has said that DxE is an extremist group that is intent on destroying the animal agriculture industry.
I hope she appeals and wins, condemning someone that was saving sick animals from being mistreated is crazy.
The jury decides on a verdict (guilty/not guilty) of the crimes they're being accused. If guilty, then the judge will define their sentence (usually following some guidelines) in between the minimum and maximum established by law.
Thanks for conceding. Now to your new point: once the majority of people are vegan, we can focus on those systems that can be improved. Currently the majority does not even care about animal exploitation, so there's very little value in trying to change systems that don't depend on animal exploitation.
Those two counter examples that I provided aren't all possibilities to replace open pollination. Surely experts in the field can come up with better solutions once this problem actually becomes a worry in the minds of the majority.
Lower density only means lower production of the usable land remains the same. Which would not be the case if the world became vegan: https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets
As I've said in the above comment, hand pollination is not the only alternative. Fixing this problem is a bridge we'll cross when most people are on board with veganism.
"Being vegan is unnatural"
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"Being vegan is unnatural"
If You’re Afraid of Vegan Meat, You’re Being Played ( veganhorizon.substack.com )
Homemade hummus is the best
i can't get this Stargate Arduino code to work with my D1 mini
i am building a 3d printed Stargate with lights and sounds using a D1 mini and a DFPlayer mini. The code is from this github repo: (https://github.com/spradlinb/Stargate_3D). when i compile the code in the Arduino IDE i get a SPI error as depicted in the image. I've tried remapping the gpio pins with no success. what am i doing ...
Portobello and onion pizza
Why not choose vegan ways?
Why limit compassion from any that really want to live? Being human should not be a prerequisite for being a subject of compassion. I understand defense is needed against biting pests, but animals being used are not that but defenseless beings in captivity, from the demand from any of us, who could choose differently, and have ...
What fictional animal do you think would be the most delicious?
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How to motivate people to be part of the change?
Depending on your perspective and your environment, there might be a hopeless amount of bad things going on. Things like war, potential war, increasing income disparity, fascism, capitalism, big tech taking over, AI bubble, etc. etc.. So how does one pull out someone who is exposed to an unhealthy amount of negativity like this, ...
Homemade neapolitan style pizza
Something I have been Questioning, as A Vegan, Since I Started Eating More Processed & Salty & Sugarly Vegan Foods…
If you turn Vegan, eating wise, & are strict (no cheating) about it, then you will eventually (if you started overweight-obese) will never be overweight-obese, for as long as maintain being a strict Vegan. ...
Go vegan
White mates in 2 moves !
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Meat Uses 10x More Soy Than Vegan Foods — So Who’s Really Destroying the Rainforest? ( veganhorizon.substack.com )
We likely can't stop the protein craze — but we can make it less cruel ( farmanimalwelfare.substack.com )
Plant milks and meat analogues have more favorable health and environmental profiles than their animal counterparts ( link.springer.com )
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Jury convicts activist who took chickens from Purdue plant ( abcnews.go.com )
The myth of the carnivore caveman ( www.vox.com )
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If fossil fuels aren't vegan that would mean almost nobody is actually vegan.