Context on Lander’s Israel issues

https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/02/26/lander-makes-questionable-claim-in-sidestepping-politically-charged-israel-divestment-question/

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nyc-pension-investment-israeli-arms-173300901.html

Formerly a DSA member himself, he left after Al-Aqsa Flood

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/new-york-playbook/2024/08/02/brad-landers-israel-problem-00172425

        • SickSemper [she/her, they/them]
          hexagon
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          3 months ago

          And worse than an antizionist DSA member, no? He just is a Zionist for the love of the game instead of money

          Don’t worry, I know he’s the lesser of two evils (now that Mamdani coronated him over Avilés). Biden better than Trump and all that

          • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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            3 months ago

            Biden better than Trump and all that

            i dislike this comparison because there's a meaningful difference between "nothing will fundamentally change" and the socdem "we should improve things somewhat"

            • SickSemper [she/her, they/them]
              hexagon
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              3 months ago

              True, it’s national socialism, we’ll give you buses and trains that run on time, in exchange for continuing the Zionism and imperialism

                • SickSemper [she/her, they/them]
                  hexagon
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                  3 months ago

                  That’s why he can support lander and keep Tisch on, right, because surrounding yourself with Zionists doesn’t matter when you’re only the smol bean mayor of New York City

            • SickSemper [she/her, they/them]
              hexagon
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              3 months ago

              Do you realize how much like democrat-speak that sounds? But interesting that you’ve chosen to die on the Zionist hill

              Show

                • SickSemper [she/her, they/them]
                  hexagon
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                  3 months ago

                  Specifically name dropping Elbit would be hilarious if he wasn’t bragging about money made off of Palestinian corpses

    • PKMKII [none/use name]
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      3 months ago

      And quite frankly, Lander probably has a much better shot at winning that primary, Mamdani endorsement or no. So there’s some realpolitik in play as well.

      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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        3 months ago

        Why endorse at all? Why not just do what he promised, just keep his mouth shut and focus on his plan for running the city?

        Obama 2.0, that's why. Dude is already planning for the future.

        We'll see if he is able to convert into something for anyone other than himself, but right now, by centering everything around purely himself without anything to show for it, without even honoring a vote, he is setting up the political machine to be around himself and no one else, which is mighty dangerous for someone who is supposedly challenging the system. Even Lenin at least entertained a pretense towards democratic decisions within the party, even if he liked to stack the deck. At this point DSA is literally more 'authoritarian' than the Bolsheviks.

        • PKMKII [none/use name]
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          3 months ago

          Obama 2.0, that's why. Dude is already planning for the future.

          He can’t be a literal Obama 2.0, as he wasn’t born in the US and thus can’t be president. Even if we’re talking about a more small-scale Obama, mayor of NYC is a notorious political dead end. There’s a long history of politicians trying and failing to translate being mayor into higher offices. If this some Machiavellian power scheme, and not just bog standard “you scratched my back now I’ll scratch yours” politics, it’s a bad one.

          • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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            3 months ago

            Obama is just the most convenient example, I've seen dozens of progressive politicians do the same thing as Zohran here, and it usually ends as the gravy train of speaking gigs for non-profits and universities. This type of person is what San Francisco was built on.

  • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    Mistake by NYC DSA to endorse her if they are going to withdraw it at Mamdani's behest. Makes them look weak and overrides the democratic will of the chapter. But the dominant factions in NYC DSA have made clear that they want to fully orient around Mamdani even at risk of damaging their internal democracy

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    3 months ago

    Starting to think he's a plant, what exactly was he doing before the DSA? The things he's doing are not just incompatible with socialist beliefs but they're barely compatible with most socdems, at least over here in europe most of the socdems would still never do this and most of them wouldn't even call Cuba a dictatorship or any of that crap.

    Like, he's just straight up being a neoliberal as far as I can tell. And doing that while people believe he's further left is going to lead people that were left leaning back into liberalism via his charisma.

    • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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      3 months ago

      Like, he's just straight up being a neoliberal as far as I can tell.

      Mamdani takes off his Mission Impossible-style mask. Then Obama smiles and says "Let me be clear..."

  • JustSo [she/her, any]
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    3 months ago

    Critiques of Zohran that identify him as "national socialist" are looking more convincing every time he's posted here.

  • LadyCajAsca [she/her, comrade/them]
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    3 months ago

    the ghoulification of Zohran is done I think at this point, there needs to be something happening in NYC-DSA, a purge, either by liberals or leftists so they can separate and form their own orgs because it has been clear since Mamdani's win he's doing realpolitik and won't challenge anything

  • MizuTama [he/him, any]
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    3 months ago

    Guys, we need to focus on the Zohran affordability program. Failures of internationalism and incrementalism aren't real critiques when doing so would harm actual progress for real Americans.

    We need to focus on America as our primary, our first priority!!!