SwagliacciTheBadClown [comrade/them, null/void]

A new world struggles to be born

Now is the time of… MONSTARS

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  • Since we’re spitballing it could be tied to: relationship/hierarchy with regards to the means of production (as one axis) and how they view maintenance/enforcement of that relationship/hierarchy (as the other axis).

    Examples

    • textile factory owner (owns production of textile, but not of raw material); therefore must discipline local labor to maintain profit (with or against state approval) as well as discipline labor upstream (raw material) and downstream (purchasers of textiles/manufacturers of finished products) to ensure there’s no weak link in the chain (eg workers in downstream getting health care, results in owners maintaining margins by purchasing upstream textile at a lower price- cutting into margins.) Also other workers might start asking for health care following that example. So ownership needs to break up/discipline labor via sowing division, state violence. I think some lib/fash differentiation comes with how they believe this discipline is to be carried out. Eg should states be allowed to have chattel slavery or an intricate system of means-tested wage extraction? Should violent deportations occur in plain sight or quietly? Should business owners be allowed to shoot strikers themselves or should they deploy the state?
    • General contractor manager (veteran, doesn’t own business nor tools). How do they view the legitimacy of the state? A tool for imperialism and resource extraction? The “world police”? Does this affect how they view their occupation? How do they view their occupation? Building things in a vacuum or do they understand how things go from raw materials to finished projects? If the price of lumber increases due to climate impacts - should the state intervene and how so? Mitigating climate impacts? Expansion of extraction via deregulation, imperialism, etc? Suppressing labor costs?
    • government worker (non supervisory). Do not own means of production, nor have disciplinary authority. Essentially acting as a cog in the state machine. How do they view the legitimacy of the state? How do they view its role in maintaining structures (either of uplift or oppression)? As they’re not inherently involved in production- do they view themselves as a consumer? How do they believe their consumer products are produced? Do they believe there should be state controls to maintain this production/cost?

    Lmao. As I was writing this all out, I realized it’s way more thought than most would give their own views. So to quote the other poster

    That said most Americans have no coherent political beliefs, so you could easily find someone who meets all criteria one way or another and they vote the other way, because more than anything, Americans are profoundly and proudly ignorant people