Look, I reckon you’ve explained yourself pretty well here mate…

Its tricky because I disagree with some of what you are saying, but don’t disagree with your views as a whole

The major issue is the subsidisation of the meat and dairy industries.

If there were alternatives available that weren’t twice the price, I’m sure more people out there would at the very least try them and start to slowly shift toward veganism… The world would be a much, much better place if all the space used for factory farms just grew crops and stored water instead…

The worlds fucked up, mate… I’m glad you’re at least doing the best you can to minimize your personal impact on nature. I’m also glad others are doing something, even if they are still eating cheese, for example. Slow and steady. The worlds not going to make such drastic change overnight…

I don’t, however, appreciate or see any good in those dickheads who eat burgers in front of people who they know are vegan, for example - or turn up to vegan protests and laugh in their facds and get aggressive, just to upset them. People who just push their views onto others in such malicious and upsetting ways are people who I have a problem with. Sadly, it’s not only meat eaters who do this sort of malicious view pushing…

But again, you know now everything I think and say on the matters…

I’ll leave with a thank you, to you, for taking the time to talk it out :)

I absolutely understand the anger and frustration. Its like talking to a brick wall, sometimes. Sometimes theres also “trick questions” coming from the other side… “What if you were bit by a snake? Would you take the antivenom even though its made from snakes?” for example.

People who “hate” vegans aren’t going to change their ways. The more they hear it, the more they laugh and dig in their heels.

Others, though, deserve a bit of a better chance.

You can say “That was a cow, once. Someone killed it, most likely after tazing it a bunch of times to get it into the corrals, and then if it was " lucky” it died “quickly” with a bolt through its head. If it was unlucky, it laid suffering while the next ones in line watched what was waiting for them ahead."

OR

you can say “You’re one of those fucking carnist pricks who turns a blind eye to murder. You think raping cows is ok as long as you get your little cheese treat? You think hanging pigs upside down by the feet and slicing their necks is worth your bacon breakfast? You think blending baby chicks in a macerator is fine as long as you get your eggs?” etc etc…

One is designed to put down the person you’re trying to “convert”, the other is trying to show them whats happening that they’re blind to.

I, for one, if I’m being put down, am not about to side with someone even if I know they’re right. It sucks, but its human nature. I know your way of putting your points across in this thread isn’t great, because not too long ago I WAS on the other side of the argument. Check my post history, though - I knew/know its wrong to eat meat. I know veganism is the better way of life. I know factory farming is fucked. I know all this.

I also know that when people spoke to me like you do, I failed to take their message on board because they were attacking me, rather than trying to help me.

People like my sister, who has been vegan most of her life, has always been there to answer questions when I had them, and to show me things when I’ve needed to see things… who has had the patience not to rush me into a life-change (Indoctrination into eating meat from a baby isn’t super easy to just change for some people) People like HER helped me come to the right decision.

It took years, but it happened.

Your approach, I fear, takes years and has the side effect of stopping people even considering veganism when they feel attacked.

I am relatively recently vegan, been a few months. But that is not important, nor relevant to this conversation really. Whether vegan or not, my point about the aggression used in trying to “convert” people to veganism not being the best idea, still stands.

You’re assuming I’m not vegan. Just because I’m not being militant and vicious in my views and beliefs doesn’t mean I believe any different to you.

Theres just a better way of going about it. Your tone is not helping your cause.

That worked for you

The approach of being confronted by your “murderous” ways worked for you

That same approach won’t work for others. It may work for some, but if 20% of people see what you’re saying, and how you’re saying it, and agree - then you have finally got 20% of people to consider veganism. The other 80% are reading what you write with a feeling that its over the top and emotive language that doesn’t resonate with them, and only turns them more against the idea of veganism.

Of course, the %s I came up with are made up, just for example - and for the sake of argument I would like you to know that I completely agree with veganism, and agree that what we do to animals is abhorrent and should absolutely change in every aspect. With that in mind, your approach comes from a place of hatred and negativity and pushes fear and anger. Sure, people such as yourself may be swayed by that approach, but that very same approach is what stops a large number of people taking veganism seriously.

Dude, you’re coming on too hateful with your comments.

Not everyone will just go vegan in the way you want, or expect. Some people take years, and plenty of change, to finally get there.

You talking to people this way dissuades people. They don’t want to be like “you” which by extension, is vegan.

Just chill.

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Oh, yeah, I’d fully get that

Find me on Reddit (I’m aceslive12 there) I overwrote everything… at the very least, none of what I’ve ever written there is going to be useable for them anymore unless they restore it without my permission (which they won’t)

Wow. That was rude

Or maybe people with schizophrenia are more likely to have a pet cat…

My guess, bot posting/karma farming

I am not vision impaired, but found “Tommy Edison” to be a really helpful fella with questions related to his lack of sight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpUW9pm9wxs

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Vegemite tastes like what I imagine the under-side of a cow to taste. It tastes like the smell of road surface. It should have a warning label: Not to be taken orally. It’s clearly a prank that Australia plays with everyone.

Also, I was born in England, but have lived in Australia for 25 years.

My apologies as I really didn’t answer your question.

I suppose it’d be hard, because everyone is unique and different, as is their relationship with their parents, their histories and so on… If my question was to be “Why did you decide to marry each other? What made that person the right person for you?” for example, that question might not really be something you’d consider asking your own parents. Maybe they weren’t married, or even together? Maybe it’s a culture where arranged marriage occurs…

I suppose the best thing I could think of that I should ask my parents is about me, my upbringing and their ideas of what and who I would be, and what they did to try to shape me into who I am. Thats a very specific thing that only my parents could really answer, and it’d probably help me better understand myself and may help me be a better parent too…

I hope thats been more helpful :)

Yo, I had a vasectomy at 31, but then loads of stuff happened and at 33 I met my now wife… and spent $12,000 australian reversing the vasectomy… I was CERTAIN I didn’t want kids.

Just a thought…

That said, I still don’t regret having the vasectomy. I do regret the money lost.

Do you get to spend much time with them?

I still have my parents, luckily, but I can only imagine when they’re gone I’ll regret not just being around them more while they’re here, rather than regretting not asking them something in particular…

I have no personal experience with the app at all, so what I am about to say comes from things I heard, or inferences I’ve made about the app - but…

I see the merit of an app like this for keeping people safe, but have no idea how it could be used without any possibility of it being abused.

On the face of it all, basically, if a man is abusive or in any way dangerous, or raises “red flags” for women, this app can help other women be aware. Lots of narcissistic assholes come across as lovely people at the start, but by the end are abusive people. My wifes ex husband, is one example, of a psychopathic narcissist. If only we could utilise an app like this to let other women know just who he is, and what to watch out for…

On the other side of it, of course, it’s all too easy to say someone is abusive or dangerous to defame or isolate that person. Women have the ability to be just as abusive as men. An abusive woman may use this app to make other women in their community scared of/avoidant of a man who isn’t in any way a danger to anyone.

Basically, my understanding of the app is that it allows women to give information about men they know and have dated, so other women can get a sort of background check on said men

But this, of course, could easily be misused and abused.

The app also required photo ID to prove you were a woman using the app, which recently was breached and ALL of the ID that was submitted is now viewable by anyone. So… yeah