• Gates9@sh.itjust.works
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    This has been the plan since DHS was created. Do you see how those wealthy freaks talk about the rest of us in those Epstein emails? The American people are caught in a pincer movement being executed by both political parties. We are being normalized to soldiers in the streets with machine guns, kicking peoples doors down and kidnapping them, murdering people in the streets. That’s just phase 1. Phase 2 is to use a disaster to expand ICE authority or simply change the name of the agency to something like “Federal Security Forces”, and give them authority to violate the rights of all citizens. The trajectory is obvious. They know uprisings are right around the corner and they cannot allow anything like the New Deal to happen again.

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      Okay, no. Look I definitely believe the DNC elite are controlled opposition.

      However, AOC has been consistent about her messaging, and has been pushing for the abolishment of ICE. Has championed progressive causes consistently, and actually comes from a working class background. We need more people like her in politics in general.

      Calling her, in particular, controlled opposition is bullshit.

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        It’s amazing people still fall for this bullshit after AOC voted to send weapons to Israel a year into the genocide. Most people really don’t have a memory span of more than 2 weeks.

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                There’s multiple genocides on Palestinians by Israel. That’s why there’s multiple Wikipedia pages. Maybe you can find another one.

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                  no, im actually quite pleased with what i already submitted. a quote:

                  The term [Nakba] is used to describe the events of the 1948 Palestine war in Mandatory Palestine as well as Israel’s ongoing persecution and displacement of Palestinians.

                  maybe you want to nitpick the difference between ‘genocide’ and ‘persecution.’ i will just observe the fact that while the number of Palestinians genocided per year between 1948 and today varies, the number is always non-zero. not incidentally, a genocide may consist of other dehumanizations than the relatively simple process of mass murder. a historian might see fit to draw distinctions between periods of more and less genocidal behavior- or i suppose i should say more or less overtly genocidal behavior. i do not. i invite you to claim such an arbitrayr historical semanticism if you so please.

                  or show me how i am wrong and i will thank you for the education: demonstrate an actually peaceful year between then and now. demonstrate a year, even one single year, where you can in good faith argue palestenians did not live in fear, under subjugation, their land invaded, their sovereignty usurped, their culture effaced, the people subject to arbitrary detention and plain unaccountable murder: In short, a year of no genocide between then and now.

                  in other words, i challenge you to find a way to describe the unbroken campaign of ethnic cleansing and apartheid and displacement and settlement and indiscriminate murder and intentional famine etc etc etc as something other than constituting genocide in aggregate. it would be like trying to show that a person infected with herpes virus is periodically cured by looking at the periods between outbreaks. i predict you will run into a problem of finding many different forms of “unpeace” consistent with genocide. (actions taken with the intent (i will even allow intention and effect to lower the bar of this challenge) of destruction in whole or in part a people according to their categorization along lines of eg religious, national, ethnic groups)

                  until then i remain intransigent. i assert genocide is unbroken from then to now and therefore insulting others as having a 2 week memory is an ironic hypocrisy. glass houses and stones.

                  before i leave off, in fairness to you, i dont hate you. i fundamentally agree that it was shitty of aoc to vote to fund israel’s ongoing genocide and am skeptical of her intention and ability to affect meaningful positive change. i take exception to the unworthy insult. i write in disappointment, not anger.

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      Yeees. Yeeeeesss. Good leftist. She’s unpure. Reject her. Refuse to vote. The left must maintain purity, even at the cost of progress.

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          Yes non patucipation will totally work. They cant hurt you if you dont participate

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            Oh you should definitely participate. With a gun.

            Enjoy voting for a Gavin Newsom bro 🤣

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              And you didnt do that either. So you did literally nothing to stop this thing you consider so important.

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          Y’all throw out your toolbox in favor of one sledgehammer, and then fail at every small project and blame the project.

          You can have multiple tools, numb nuts.

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      Her job is to do what she’s doing right now: achieving real tangible improvements. Your job is to get more people like her in positions of power so what’s achievable is closer to the outcome you want.

      Yelling about ICE in the streets and on the internet doesn’t do anything. Getting a deal done to defund ICE so that can’t keep terrorizing the country does do real good. It would actually save lives. Far more than I bet you’ve ever accomplished.

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        Her job is to send money to Israel, scold activists, protect the establishment, and tell poor people they aren’t capable of understanding socialist theory. Give me a break.

        I’ve never voted to send millions of dollars to a genocidal ethnostate. That alone makes me better than her.

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      They’re not the majority, abolishment isn’t on the table at the moment. Keeping your eye on what is feasible to accomplish is not something to throw a hissy fit over.