i use both and don’t give a shit. 🤷
They each are good in different ways. Lemmy’s search is superb - far better than Reddit’s or especially PieFed’s. Though PieFed has solved the community discovery and onboarding issues for new users.
Imho PieFed seems unquestionably better for a new user, whereas Lemmy is typically more suited for an established user of the Threadiverse, unless they want one of the new features that only PieFed offers (i.e., most people don’t need to move, especially if they use a mobile app).
Yeah, I’ve said that Piefed needs to rip out its search UI and just copy Lemmy’s really. It’s more convenient. Rimu has said he’s not happy with it if I recall.
Yea I gotta say, I can tell dessalines must have had pain in the Reddit search and rage coded a fantastic search function for Lemmy lmfao
Although I wish it was a bit more intuitive and the UI elements worked for it - like the sort functions only work for posts but not comments so sometimes it is difficult to use. For posts though, it’s one of the better searchers I’ve yet seen, especially compared to Reddit 😝.
I found Piefed to be fine but, when sharing links, the recipients of my sharing complained about their format. It was several months ago, though, so maybe that’s changed.
Sorry I don’t understand what you mean here, but in the worst case sharing links has never worked well across the Threadiverse - depending on how you mean that, as in if it is on a different instance than what they are on it will take them instead to that other place where they have no account and so cannot vote or comment - while in the best case PieFed has solved this long-standing issue by auto-translating links to be on the same instance as the sender. I do not know how that work for the recipient - I don’t think that it would, or could go back to the above scenario.
Anyway this is not unique to PieFed, as I thought PieFed was at least no worse than Lemmy in this regard and ever so slightly more functional - at least I’ve been ecstatically happy (yes I’m odd:-P) with this new capability it offers, as I’ve been waiting for it since the Rexodus and it is finally here!!!:-)
The links were functional, but odd looking. The recipients didn’t like seeing characters that don’t usually show up in links and considered the links suspicious as a result, sometimes not clicking them.
Not exactly a flaw with the tech, but also a reasonable precaution by the recipients. I’m flattered that you assume my friends are on the fediverse but most of them aren’t so trying to explain instances and such to them wouldn’t go smoothly.
Fair, though I still don’t get: why would there be special characters in them?
e.g. the URL I see this OP on is https://piefed.social/c/fedimemes/p/1727244/piefed-is-cool-lemmy-is-too-what-s-not-cool-infighting-it-drives-away-new-users-unfortu, and the actual OP source is https://thelemmy.club/post/43491796. There a a bunch of numbers there, but not “special characters”, so I am not sure where you are getting this from.
Rimu’s link asking if people have questions about the code: https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/1660885/we-re-here-to-answer-any-questions-you-have-about-piefed-s-code.
Special features of PieFed: https://join.piefed.social/features/.
The instance picker: https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser.
I don’t see special characters in any of these?
If you are using an app, you might look into how safe it is keep using that app? Or perhaps you ran into a special niche case for a particular URL, but I don’t really recall seeing special characters in any URLs related to PieFed so I don’t think that’s a (major) thing?
I mentioned that it’s been a while; maybe they resolved it. In mine there were plenty of at signs and colons. I agree there’s nothing upsetting about your links.
next thing you’ll tell us that bisexuality is real.
See this comment with PieFed code analysis for context: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23662293
Also featuring extra serving of drama slop
And on top of that looks like the guy who posted this meme: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919
Got his account deleted on PieFed: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23687401
Big cringe, not even hexbear admins do that.
Jesus Christ, did they call the word “stupid” ableism?
Hahaha, that’s what jumped out to me as well.
Ableism is when I need mommy to call me a good boy
They also complained about a proper functioning block system lmfao
i mean, the people who have the time to sit there and nitpick the social justice awareness of source code… aren’t exactly going to be the most well-adjusted individuals.
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Even if that’s the case (I don’t know the author), I don’t think it affects what he wrote in the linked post in any way.
Valid.
As stated, most of the things here can be turned off - and one part specifically is a complete misrepresentation.
As stated, most of the things here can be turned off
Is it possible to disable how user blocking works?
and one part specifically is a complete misrepresentation
If you’re talking about defederation, then no: it’s an updated version of the comment that properly explains how it works. To be honest, I think the correct interpretation is even worse: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23664761
Their way of doing it honestly makes more sense imo.
No more than an instance on Lemmy can make it so blocked a counts can’t reply to someone who blocked them. That’s just contradictory blocking philosophies at play.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn’t true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
In my opinion, this blocking philosophy is hurtful to the Fediverse. To me it feels like EEE from the PieFed devs who clearly dislike the Lemmy devs.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn’t true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
Yes, you’re correct! And the message I linked no longer includes this disinformation.
I don’t know why you think a different philosophy the blocking system from Piefed, regardless of what you think of its impact - has anything to do with any dislike of Lemmy devs.
No, this particular feature is not related to a dislike of the Lemmy devs. I just wanted to say that I don’t like this feature.
But some of the features mentioned in the linked comment are related. Sorry if that wasn’t clear, I’m not a native speaker.
Only the automatic instance defederation.
I’ve never noticed it that extreme - perhaps I’ve just blocked the right people - but I always saw it more like this:
It’s fairly recent, mostly from people doing a code audit, and possibly emboldened by the upcoming Lemmy 1.0. See e.g. https://lemmy.ml/post/42339089/23619001.
Personally I believe such criticisms will only strengthen the code by polishing some of its roughest spots, increasing transparency by exposing additional configuration options and the like. The PieFed devs are actively soliciting such genuine feedback - see e.g. https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/1660885/we-re-here-to-answer-any-questions-you-have-about-piefed-s-code.
I need to set myself up an Mbin account again (I was once on Kbin).
Ngl Mbin is kinda awesome, but mainly only if someone wants to browse both Mastodon and the Threadiverse from the same account. It’s better imho for e.g. long-titled news articles but not as good for e.g. memes.
I hope I’m not furthering the divide OP mentioned further more than being helpful but it’s true so I’ll say it: I only joined Kbin.social at first due to the off-putting connection between the Lemmy sourcecode and the tankie devs, but now PieFed provides a cleaner option for that.
piefed exists becase the lemmy creators are leftist.
your standard anticommunism, nothing different than the norm really.
I can’t say I know too much about piefed, however I did notice that a lot of the worst users I knew from Lemmy moved to piefed so that was enough for me.
Why are you lying? Lemmy creators are not leftists, they advocate for people getting murdered by the state, they advocate for authoritarianism and control of population. That’s why people dislike them, not because they’re “leftists.”
It’s their favored past time when people are against them for their authoritarianism to conflate that with “communism” as a whole and ofc they love to “No True Scotsman” being they’re the only “true” leftists lmfao
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Yeah what they are is not “leftist”
whatever democrats and libs are is not “leftist”
I got on lemmy because I just wanted to ditch reddit. I can’t be bothered to set this convoluted shit up again.
Thats pretty much where I am lol. I have an account and I can see both lemmy and piefed content, good enough for me!
The Lemmy devs have arguably pretty worse philosophy but dev with a sense of integrity and don’t inject their politics into their software.
The Piefed devs have arguably much better philosophy but do directly build that into their app development.
I’m sorry, I don’t think that’s an improvement.
What’s not cool? Infighting, it drives away new users.
That’s an ironic comment, given how loaded the image you’ve included is…
I like the threadiverse :)
The majority of us probably do.
But someone downvoted you so obviously not all. 😝🙄🤪
How the hell are people downvoting this sentiment?!🤪
Feud posting is cringe. Everyone can pick a instance thats best for them. Who cares if its not for you.
Agreed. They’re both very good. And there’s no need to bring one down to uplift the other.
both user bases are full of a lot of nut jobs and people with extremist and crazy beliefs.
platforms don’t change people. that’s what nobody gets. fediverse is not going to ‘solve’ the problem of being people nutjobs seeking other nutjobs to compete over how ‘true’ their nutjob commitment is.
that’s completely irrelevant, because in internet and real life there are nutjobs everywhere. even tho the definition of nutjob might slightly differ for everyone, the platforms allow users to regulate the amount of nutjobs they meet individually, for example by subscribing communities with less of them and/or blocking/filtering.
also, the voting system helps a lot, so ppl get easy feedback about their content and it helps with sorting, too.
Me, who didn’t even recognise the icon on the left:
Why is this blue clock guy so mean?
Users of either means content for both so doing team sports over this seems foolish.
It’s concern-trolling and astroturfing. There are lots of proprietary platforms that must feel threatened by the Fediverse so it’s no surprise that the classic divide and conquer strats are making an appearance.
Just use whatever platform you want and don’t feed the trolls.
PS: memes like this just serve to perpetuate and exacerbate the flamewars, so bravo if that’s what you were aiming for.
i’ve seen nothing but piefed users being smug jerks about piefed and treating lemmy users like they are unwashed plebes. myself included. i’ve used piefed and it’s the same flavor of shit in a different layout.
i have not seen it go the other way around. most are going ‘wtf is piefed and why are these people so weird’.
I don’t follow the topic intensively either, but I haven’t seen anyone criticize the other software
The fact that it gives a misleading error seems like legitimate criticism tbh.
Irelephant’s OP criticism seems legit, yes. The comment replies on the other hand are chock full of misinformation - e.g. PieFed does not defederate from lemmy.ml right out of the box, nor is that nonexistent capability hard-coded into the software. I don’t remember all the details but I do recall Irelephant pushing back against some of those incorrect replies.
PieFed needs help to get better, it’s not perfect. The main dev Rimu has always asked for exactly that kind of not only direct aid but even critical feedback, or see this post from a month ago: https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/1660885/we-re-here-to-answer-any-questions-you-have-about-piefed-s-code. That’s fairly open and transparent, it looks to me?
I see your problem. There’s a .ml in that link. If you block .ml and grad, Lemmy is a pretty nice place.
Not really, it was a post on .world by a shitjustworks user.
Their link is a direct comment link to a .ml user, that’s why it’s a .ml link
Hoo boy, be glad then. It’s literally everywhere, and all it does is drive away new users.
It’s not literally everywhere, calm down.
Open pretty much any thread about promoting the Fediverse, either here or on Reddit and you will find it.
Show us, because this is the first I’ve heard of it and I’m on here a few times a day.
I’ve seen too many conversations go like this:
PieFan: “Piefed is better.”
“How is it better?”
PieFan: “It’s growing much faster than Lemmy.”
“So it’s bigger than Lemmy?”
PieFan: “No, but it will be soon.”
“So Lemmy has more people.”
PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
“What are the better features?”
PieFan: “They’ll be integrated soon.”
“How does it look better?”
PieFan: “Well, if you’re using an app it looks the same. And if you’re using the desktop website it looks the same.”
“So it’s better on mobile?”
PieFan: “it will be soon.”
“So if Piefed is roughly the same as Lemmy and is federated with Lemmy, I can just stay on Lemmy and keep my posts, comments, and history while still accessing everything on Piefed.”
PieFan: “I hate Lemmy admins!”
I respect your personal opinions, and even agree with some of the grievances you may have, but for people who are already established on a Lemmy instance there is no practical reason to leave it for Piefed. It’s a preference, same as choosing a Lemmy instance.
Edit: People are already taking this personally. I have no skin in this game, but I see these exchanges all the time and it’s frustrating to watch in-fighting between platforms that are connected to each other by design in the first place.
Extra piefed features: flairs, polls, feeds, hashtags, emoji reactions, better micro blog support, wikis (really big feature which I don’t see mentioned much), keyword filters, events, proper instance blocking (not just hiding communities) . Some apps don’t support all of these yet.
Some apps don’t support all of these yet.
Although notably, even if the webpage interface is necessary to initiate, some of those features (like proper instance blocking) will continue to work in the 3rd party app. Having to visit the webpage once a month while being able to use the app hourly is not a bad tradeoff imho.
Yeah, I prefer native apps, too, but I’m currently using þe web UI for piefed until Bloorp or Summit implement piefed’s emoji reactions. Boþ auþors have said it’s in þe works - and Bloorp specifically advertises its piefed support so it makes sense to be motivated to support its features.
A wiki would be nice. That’s one feature of Reddit I actually miss.
The only thing Lemmy leaves me wanting for right now is the ability to filter languages and a user page/feed so I can post publicly visible notes and links without putting them on some other community.
A wiki would be nice
I mean flairs and polls sound nice, but everything else there I’m not sure why would want it. I mean hashtags and more emojis? That’s awful I don’t want that at all. Frankly people use emojis I usually block. And the blocking seems to work fine.
Flairs are useful to organise content on the community. Wikias can be useful for communities. Feeds? This is a huge one people on Lemmy have been calling for a long time (planned for the 1.0 release). Keyword filtering too.
Just one detail: Piefed already reads Lemmy instances, so it being less-used doesn’t matter.
And Piefed already has a ton of tools that Lemmy doesn’t have, so no-one is replying “they’ll be integrated soon” yet. They already exist.
Note: not saying this to convince you of anything. Just noting some details.
PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
The thing for me is that… piefed.social webUI looks like ass. It’s the victim of “we have to look different so everyone knows we’re different!” - many, many years and people who study UX to arrive at the common interface standards we see on all “clone” sites - where the vote numbers are, where the vote arrows lie, how the images work to open dynamically, etc.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old. Piefed reeks of the “not invented here” syndrome of having to eschew norms to try and prove some point about “not being Lemmy” for political reasons. As a user, the visual layout and operation of the Lemmy webUI is what I want and expect to be using.
All that said, I’m a die hard F/OSS person and all competition is good, it drives innovation and progress. Best wishes to Piefed on their journey.
Fair enough. Rimu himself has said he’s not a great designer. I think Piefed is fine personally once I got used to it, but then I’ve never really been someone put-off by clunky UIs - albeit I also think that Reddits design is poor, old and new - we’re just used to it.
entirely agree. piefed interface is so offputting. it needs to be streamlined.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old.
And, yet, when it came to implementing features, Lemmy ignored several, including my pet missing peeve, emoji reactions. A feature so valuable, Reddit monetizes it.
Piefed was missing it, too, but þe devs recognized þe gap and added it. I have more faiþ in piefed to improve þe UX over time.
Þat said, I don’t see a vast gulf between Lemmy and piefed, and happily use boþ.
By this logic, we should all leave Lemmy and move to the most popular mobile app, because “it’s bigger”. Also, I think you might have missed a couple things from those previous conversations 🤔😉.
this is pretty much what i have seen too. along with a lecture about how my negative expereinces on lemmy will not exzist on piefed because the magic tools they say are supposed to stop all negative interactions.
despite the users and communities… being exactly the same. it’s just a different interface for interacting with them.
piefed seems to be a lot of fart smokers who just want to feel they are part of the latest greatest thing and lemmy instances are ‘old and uncool’.
