Like, really I’m not tryna be a dick here. I’m genuinely curious what yall think it will take for the majority of ameriKKKans to recognize this?

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    There have been businesses offering free food to affected people in MN, letting protestors use their restaurants to shelter from tear gas, etc. I don’t believe they’re all Saul Goodman caricatures doing it to drum up business. They aren’t mega corps, but feel it’s worth pointing out and separating them from those who are instead letting ICE use their places as staging grounds and meeting points.

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      If nothing else, the BDS strategy of finding one company that is particularly egregious and getting everyone to boycott that one (even if other companies also fulfill the criteria of being unethical in some way) is actionable. Getting people to recognize that all of capital pushes the state into fascism is not necessarily going to lead to any actionable conclusion. The point isn’t to get everyone to be correct about every little thing, it’s having people who are correct in their ideology guide the people who are correct in their feelings.

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        Yeah I see that now. Thank you.

        I think one of the ways my autism comes out is just like, not understanding neurotypicals? (No shit, huh? (Also I hate that language but whatever)) And in moments like this, where something is just so painfully obvious to me — something I’ve been shouting about for literally my entire life — it makes my brain hurt trying to comprehend how people can’t or won’t see it.

        Like, I used to labor under the assumption that all people believe, as you said, that capital pushes the state into fascism, but that everyone was just willfully complicit. Then shit like this happens and I’m like, “oh wait… yall like, really thought corporations were like… okay?” I dunno, does that make sense?

        Sometimes I just feel really alien in this world and this is just one of those moments.

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          Oh, yes. Now I totally get where you’re coming from comrade. I have felt the same, way to often. One day they’ll get it. Revolutionary optimism and all that. Care-Comrade

  • Don’t thinkthats the message here. Boycotts and targeted divestment campaigns work. BDS has done untold damage to the Israeli economy, and becomes a bridgehead to more concrete action such as sabotage and snd picket lines.

    I don’t think ragging folks for the selection of a few coordinated targets is a good use of time. Just like with the “general strike” stuff, it’s not expected to immediately abolish ICE in one righteous moment of proletarian fury; but it does help practice tactics and build networks. Recognising the collective struggle against the state requires choosing battles that aren’t winnable, but form an escalation to the ones that are.

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    Capital is not one monotonous block. If we want any hope of bringing it to it’s knees, selectively targeting it’s weakest points or most reactionary elements is a valid strategy. This goes beyond individual “ethical consumption”, because it’s a coordinated effort.

    Honestly, you might as well be against strikes, because they only ever target individual corporations. Yes, a general strike would be better, but they still build workers power.

    Taking part in efforts like that might even help people to develop some class consciousness.

    • Yes, but targeted boycott campaigns DO work, and “no ethical consumption” doesn’t absolve hedonistic consumption in favour of the imperial core.

      I’m sure you meant that as a given, but it bugs me to see that meme nowadays with how much it’s been used go justify scab and apathetic neoliberalism.

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        “there is no ethical consumption under capitalism” i state smugly as i buy gallons of shit hummus directly from the idf during their fundraiser for a new merkava battalion

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    I hope never because the understanding that all companies are fascist collaborators is not only just wrong and has been proven wrong by the KomIntern, but it’s also bad for the movement as a whole and is actively hurting it. Capital isn’t monotonous. Different capital factions have different interests. Even in Nazi Germany there were Monopolies that didn’t want fascism.

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    NEVER RENT A CAR AGAIN! THEY’RE SUPPORTING FASCISTS!

    NEVER EAT A FOOD AGAIN, IT ALL GOES TO SUPPORT FASCISM!

    NEVER SLEEP IN A BED AGAIN, THEY SUPPORT FASCISTS!