Feddit.onlineThe terrifying reality behind one of America’s fastest-growing dairy brands | The dark side of Fairlife — and America’s protein craze.
www.vox.com/future-perfect/420545/fairlife-milk…
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Snot FlickermanNo average Americans are suffering from lack of protein. The protein craze drives me nuts.
The average American lacks fiber and leafy greens.
ShellMonkeyIt's probably the most lacking of the 3 majors though, between fast food and processed pre-pack stuff.
Still, it seems to have held on a lot longer than the period where everything needed to announce itself as gluten free.
I agree with snot flickerman here. I would say number one is water, then fiber, and then maybe protein but given meat consumption at that level it is not so much a lack as much as an imbalance with what comes after it. Fats, simple carbs, and sugars (to me there are three levels of carbs with fiber, simple, and sugar)
Imbalance would be a better phrasing, yeah. More meant people scarf down an awful lot of sugars and fats compared to lean meats or dairy.
I've commonly heard around 1 gram / kg, which can still be a trick for someone who's on the larger side. I would be a bit over 100 kg so with most of those bars or shakes being around 20g that adds up to a good half dozen or the real food equivalent.
salty_chiefI drink milk everyday and appreciate the cows contribution. Old school farming was more personal you had to depend on each other to survive. Today the need for more resources has created a non-personal approach. As tech improves you would think so would the process.
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araneaeI stopped eating beef except once in awhile. I can't eat chicken anymore at all because of how awful THAT industry is. But I have to say giving up cow milk for the number of alternatives there are was really, really easy and I would recommend. Milk is sugar juice for babies so we don't need it anyway but the alternative is there.
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Grew up in the great plains/midwest around the dairy industry. Had extended family who owned a smaller dairy farm. This all sounds pretty standard. Not saying it's right, but none of it sounds new to me.
I would imagine there were plenty of people who bought modern marketing that was designed to cruelty-wash the dairy industry. The reality is there's no way to insert yourself between an udder and a calf without cruelty, and that's the only way to get cow's milk. Unless we can figure out how to get milk from lab-grown organs, which probably comes with it's own ethical issues.
Coworker has a cow/calf pair. The cow and calf do get separated in the morning, but after milking they are turned out together on pasture for the rest of the day. Of course, most folks aren't lucky enough to have the space or means (or desire) to raise their own food the way they want. I have friends who love milk but cant stand the sight of an udder... funny. In their words, it is "better not to think about it." Wild. My dream has always been to have a homestead, so I cant imagine the thinking...
I've helped out on smaller dairy farms around VT and after milking they are allowed to wander out where they want. If they don't get milked they can get infections and such.
Fun fact, you cannot commit animal abuse on a soybean, coconut, rice, wheat, or oat grains.
Fuck dairy
Cousin Mose
etherphonAnother shitty grift, the American economy is at least 50% grift at this point I swear, because there's little consequence for all of this but major profits. I barely want to participate in this economy anymore it's just fucking mental.
garretbleCows need to be pregnant to produce milk, so they're artificially inseminated throughout most of their lives.
Also, most people can't properly digest lactose. Only about 30% of the population has the enzyme required, and most of them are concentrated in Europe/North America.
I hate to break it to you but this isn't new.
Naturally, they might live to 15 to 20 years of age, but
this has never been established, it just sounds shocking.
Some numbers for relevance:
American bison lifespan is 10-20 years, african buffalo is 10-25, Indian water buffalo averages 25 years, and guar are around the same.
Now let's look at some heritage breeds of domestic cow:
White park cattle are not unheard of to live around 30 years, highland cattle 15-20, Dexters around the same.
Edit: I forgot the dairy cows... holstein 15-20, jersey around the same, friesian around the same.
It is in the nature of cattle to live at least into their teens. Dairy cattle are treated terribly and bred to overproduce, but they are killed when production drops. A good bull, on the other hand, can be kept around for longer, but most dairies do ai now so they dont even have to have a dangerous bull on site.
As an aside, the entire thing is similar to production hens. A production hen's system gives out early (usually due to reproductive issues or cancer) due to being designed to lay an egg a day regardless of anything else. There is a reason family farms who want pets generally avoid the high production ladies if they value health over production.
do you have any data on the domesticated species surviving without artificial assistance?
Define artificial assistance? If you mean human care like feed and safety, then I fail to see how that is relevant. It's similar to asking if I have data on Boston terrier lifespan without human assistance in the wild. We created these breeds.
The lifespans I gave are lifespans with care (feed, shelter) given in the case of the domesticated species. Im very interested in why you think data on domesticated species living in the wild is relevant, but if you are interested in the hardness of domesticated species, there is an interesting case of a cow escaping the slaughterhouse in Poland to live with a herd of wild bison. No idea what ended up happening, but it caused quite a stir that she survived winter just fine.
the claim is their natural life span is 15 to 20 years, but that's simply untrue. that's an artificial life span.
I think that's being a bit obtuse. It's obvious that "natural" in this context means not cut short by slaughter/disease/etc. The natural lifespan of the human being is what could be said to mean how long a human lives if an early death doesn't take them. Moreover, that range can include the tribal human living without processed food or electricity or the sheltered city dweller living safely alongside their McDonald's.
Wtf? All bovines and ungulates live over a decade in wild habitats, you're just divorced from nature
what jersey cow has ever lived over a decade without protection from elements, protection from predators, protection from disease, feed, water, and veterinary care?
How long would a human survive if they were slaughtered when their efficiency dropped? A 30yo human drops in picking efficiency rate in an amazon warehouse by about 10 to 15%, a cow would've been long time ago made into a burger.
How long would you survive without protection?
treating people like animals is bad.
Right. That's why treating animals inhumanely is bad. Maybe having empathy for other living beings in general would be a better solution.
How many Jersey cows have bee n tested in these circumstances?
If you have a problem with selective breeding or the killing of cows I cant take you seriously.
If you can’t see the blatant unnecessary suffering of other species on our behalf I “cant [sic] take you seriously.”
they are cows. Its not that serious
For me it is because I don’t like to be an outright cunt to other species that I happen to share the planet with, especially when doing so is 100% unnecessary (I don’t live in the Tundra and I, like most people have access to better alternative forms of nutrition).
Maybe you’re fine with supporting the enslavement, rape and torture of other species some of us have basic morals and empathy.
Has a paywall
Huh strange doesn't show on for me, but https://archive.is/tV414 should let you see the article
I expect to see abuses that make exploitation more efficient, but these cases seem to be straightforward abuse (like hitting and kicking) for no particular reason? WHY