barrbaric [he/him]

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Cake day: July 26th, 2020

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  • The invasion of Afghanistan began with a wave of bombings/air strikes that killed thousands of civilians and destroyed infrastructure because the Taliban/Al Qaeda were located in areas in which other people lived. Especially the Taliban, as they were the ruling government. A decent analogy is actually 9/11: sure, they targeted the white house and pentagon, but also the WTC which were civilians. Given what we know of US intel, I would actually wager that 2/3 of the hijackerss targets being military installations makes them more precise than the US forces. There are then second-order deaths, such as from starvation and disease, due to disruption of infrastructure, power being cut, factories shutting down, etc.

    Likewise, the “Shock and Awe” phase of the invasion of Iraq was a terror bombing campaign that aimed (and failed) to cause Saddam’s government to be overthrown by popular uprising due to mass civilian death and destruction of infrastructure. IIRC Iraq’s power grid still hasn’t been repaired to pre-war levels over 20 years later.

    We can get semantic about what the phrase “bombing to pieces” means, but come on. The invasions kill over a million people, primarily due to second-order deaths from the initial and ongoing bombing campaigns. Seriously, look at the history of how the US wages war. It always relies on having air superiority and bombing the shit out of the countries it invades and then following up with special forces. Nowadays, that’d be JSOC because that branch of the special forces are directly controlled by the president.

    As far as ground invasion, that depends on what their goals are. If they want to use the playbook from Venezuela and kidnap (or assassinate) all leadership then “no” because while they’ll have special forces on the ground they won’t be staying long-term. If they want to use the playbook from Iraq and Afghanistan, then yes, they will have to do a ground invasion as strategic terror bombings never actually succeed at causing the popular uprisings (see: Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc). The only place it allegedly ever worked was Japan in WWII, but that seems to have been largely incorrect and their surrender was much more due to the soviets declaring war on them.