That country is living under the delusion that dictators can be good, and the law matters less than charisma.

And you like that?

The PDF standard is so complex that it makes it implicitly not really open, as it’s basically impossible to implement it fully

Most of the other problems I mentioned are about being raised or growing together. So in your example, it probably would be mostly fine.

My main point is, what does it bring to try to make exceptions when the only exceptions that are not bad are very, very unlikely, and do not bring anything more than any other relationship would?

In your case, sure, the two sisters could get together, fine. But if they got together while knowing they are from the same family, it does raise a weird point, and if they did not know then fine. But how many offspring-free relationships between two people that didn’t know they were related, exist? How many of those last? I cannot imagine such a big proportion, so what is the point of making an exception, that on the other hand will bring in a lot of problems and creepy behaviours trying to fit in it.

Normal, il est d’extrême gauche violence et terrifiante. On ne peut pas blâmer les pauvres victimes nazies apeurées et sans défense qui se sentent en danger.

Mais dans l’esprit napoléonien, elle ne les utilisera que contre les manifestations pacifiques de gauche

This is also a weird case, because the problem with age difference is maturity, which is not measurable as of now. A 30 years old dating a 50 years old is weird, but less than a 20 years old dating a 40 years old, and yet all of these also can vary based on individuals. And most people wouldn’t see a problem with a 70 years old going with a 90 years old. That’s why it’s struggle to make well-defined laws about it.

For incest, once again, the problems are the norm, and then maybe you can find some exceptions. But why push it to be fine and allowed, when it doesn’t bring anything, again? It’s just opening for more issues to come, with no real benefit because incest is, in most cases rather than not, a problem.

And how do you prevent problems of offsprings, or of dominant position? Do you have to sterilize by force people in such relationships, after having them investigated to check that the relationship is actually consensual? Who would need to have sex with their relative so much that they would want to go through all this? That’s why I’m saying that it just feels like a lot of trouble and problems, for nothing good.

With the difference being that incest brings a lot of problems that other relationships don’t. Offsprings are one, I mentioned others, and I’m sure you could find more.

I mean, if you have a royal family, you’re asking for this shit

What can be good about it that a normal relationship cannot provide?

I can’t imagine a single answer. Thus, “nothing good about it” seems accurate.

The post isn’t bad, but I feel like it has a bit of a survivor bias.

Learning about why things fail is generally more informative than learning the characteristics of something that succeeded.

I mean, homeschooling can definitely cause that kind of issue.

The difference being that there are good sides to it too, while there are no good sides coming from incest, and trying to equate the two seems a bit far fetched and incoherent.

It’s more of a question of what is healthy psychologically. Staying to close to one group socially makes a sort of echo chamber, and that’s always a problem.

And that’s what I mean with “weird shit”, things like racism are quite known to be increased in people that are not in contact with people of color for example. Echo chambers are generally bad, and I feel like this would create a very strong one (“us against the world” and whatnot)

DNA doesn’t matter when it comes to kids if you don’t have a background thought that is at least a bit problematic. It’s not about what matters to them only, but also about what is morally wrong. This “DNA is everything” thing is extremely toxic

I mean, when you see most programmers, you want to believe it :)

Yeah, because no one racist ever tried to mix the concept of ancestry and geographical origin to imply the existence of races.

I did not call you racist, I was on the contrary pointing out that the only thing that can make it controversial is the wording.

My point was, this is not a controversial take, but phrased badly it can sound like one, which is probably the reason people would end up calling you racist. Not because what you say (and especially what you mean) is racist, but because it can sound like a red flag.

And I totally agree with the fact that the origin changes nothing to humans, or to racism, because nothing will ever prove racism to be right scientifically. I wasn’t disagreeing with you, just commenting on the “controversial” aspect.

If the two individuals aged for a significant part of their lives together, offsprings are not the only “harm”.

Forming relationships with people that are different (as in, not relatives) helps avoid the bad parts of the family structure (the weird beliefs, opinions, behaviours, etc, that are taught within a family but are not accepted outside of it). Without that, you can end up with something that seems like “cultural inbreeding” where the weirdness persists and grows, until it reaches weird shit.

On a side note

Arguably a similar effect already happens in western countries thanks to xenophobia, and that’s why you have people that care so much about transmitting their DNA and having their own biological kids as if it mattered. This is just the remnants of a deeply racist culture that believes that you need to preserve your family line, and with it, your DNA. If people were mixing more with other cultures and origins, this would seem much more absurd.

I mean, it would be much less controversial to say “I believe that there are many unknown about the geographical origins of humans” and “our ancestors were not from Africa” (not exactly what you said, but exaggerated for clarity).

One sounds like a generic question about prehistoric times, the other sounds like a racially charged propaganda piece.

Sometimes things are about wording.

Well it’s not like they’ve been supporting Israel and the genocide up until now, huh /s

Perceived complexity*

“Les nazis et la gauche sont deux extrêmes. C’est dans cette logique que nous avons décidé de combattre la gauche, et de mettre les nazis au pouvoir.”