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I kind of get it. It looks a little bit scary so you flash it and some intrusive guy should get the message and fuck of. Probably as effective as spring knife would be but more fancy looking. As an actual self defense weapon it would be useless. I would be easy to close the distance fast and knock it out. I guess this is part of the appeal. It looks scary but is not really that dangerous. Knife would be a better weapon but that’s exactly you don’t want to carry a knife around. It turns any fight in a life or death situation while a big lighter like this is just a prop. Anyway, just get some pepper spray.
Can of hair spray and a zippo lighter will also do you fine.
TFW the party’s mage casts fireball in a small room…
You say that as if casting fireball is ever a bad idea.
Best to avoid at the gas station.
Agree to disagree.
I can be trusted with this, I promise
None of us can be trusted to act responsible with a personal fire thrower.
I somehow knew instantly
I am a man. I am buying six of these, a pair of rollerskates, a hockey stick, a mini fire extinguisher, and some string.
See you guys on TV later!
Get some silly string, too, you won’t regret it.
Well with women having these on hand at least the incels will finally achieve one of their objectives:
Women thinking they’re smokin’ hot.
And yet somehow I feel this might not be the best path forward.
There is one benefit to this. If you’re talking to a women at a bar and the people around you starting to move away, you know you’re crossing some lines.
Well… let’s try it out for a little and see what happens.
Here here !
We can’t know until we give it a try
Typically without solid training what happens is the weapon gets turned on the wrong person.
But, for the sake of a good time we can imagine some asshole pervs getting lit up like a cigar. Heh heh. Awesome.
I hope the QA is good. Training or no training, these aliexpress specials will probably just self immolate in your bag.
Also, fire doesn’t just stay put. Yes, you might burn the attacker, but catch the building on fire killing people.
Honestly, I hope it is more deterrent than anything else
Idk, having something that could melt metal from a safe distance as a deterrent seems a bit overkill. But don’t take my word for it, I might be overreacting.
Hmm, that sounds like something a velociraptor would say.
That’s hate speech.
It’s just running on butane - it won’t have enough heat mass to melt metal (and produce any notable flames). Probably it won’t do much more to a person than startle the hell out of them and maybe ignite their hair.
3300°C seems a bit much for butane but it could be farenheit which I would assume is still quite hot.
I think even oxy-butane tops out at 2,000°C (which is 50,000°F or something idk). 3,300°C is around the max for oxy-acetylene, which is I’m assuming what the person writing this was looking at.
Great, create more fear in society and pit people against each other and give them weapons, too. Winning concept.
Pit people against whom? Their active attacker? Who are you worried about making afraid?
What attacker? There is no attacker, it’s all a hypothetical situation meant to rile up people like you.
Rape is a made up hypothetical situation?
By that logic, shouldn’t everyone carry a gun too? If it’s theoretically only going to be used against an active attacker, what’s the big deal?
(Note: this isn’t an argument for carrying guns)
A lot of people carry guns specifically for that reason. I’m not saying it’s a perfect solution, but it speaks of a bigger issue that is being ignored. If people are forced to look out for themselves then the options become very limited and outside of the possibility of anything approaching ideal. I’m not choosing to worry about the attackers getting set on fire in this situation, my concerns and those of the people who have a need for things like this have already been outright ignored entirely. People don’t have a better option, it was taken from them already.
Abusers should be afraid. 🤷♂️
The problem is that who an “abuser” is is extremely subjective. In this case it’s evil men. What if people buy these because they’re scared of evil immigrants? The argument is the exact same.
And nothing is stopping abusers from getting these too. You think they have a little checkbox on the order you have to cross on the form so they don’t accidentally sell them to the wrong person?
And who are they against exactly, gropers, rapists, people that hit on you in a club, any stranger that approaches you? Burning someone alive is a pretty big commitment, you better make sure you got the right person, or else you’re just another psychopath with a weapon waiting for a chance to use it on anyone you dislike.
You’re real scared about getting set on fire, huh?
Handing out weapons to the population and expect them to use them responsibly has worked so fucking well so far…
Cool idea but that thing needs a bigger fuel tank, looks like it’ll be empty after 30 seconds of use
I don’t know, but if you don’t get the message after 30 seconds of hellfire…
Can of hairspray.
Pepper spray cans also go empty in like 5 seconds. I don’t think these things are designed for longer bursts. Dump 'em and run.
Does it take longer than 30 seconds to burn someone?
Depends on if you’re going for shock or efficiency.
So, a worse pepper spray?
Not sure that’s an acceptable level of violence for pervertry but who am I to get in the way of women’s violent fantasies?
Alright. Let’s do this. I’ll bite.
So first thing’s first, this article is clearly click bait and no, the Chinese government isn’t going to start encouraging or even allowing women to simply carry flamethrowers and open fire on any threat like it’s nothing. So let’s start by establishing that we are arguing hypotheticals here over a clearly click bait article.
However, the point of self defence isn’t to provide an equivalent punishment to the crime committed, but to allow someone to use violence preemptively against an aggressor to stay safe. You don’t practice self defense after you get raped, but hopefully before you do.
This opens the door to many difficult and vague situations where it’s hard to tell whether an act was justified or not, but that doesn’t mean that burning someone is necessarily in any way less justifiable than shooting them or stabbing them etc.
So in this hypothetical scenario, the question isn’t whether burning someone is equivalent to being sexually harassed, because that’s not the type of situation that self defence is meant to be used in. It’s not equivalent but rather preemptive.
So we are now asking the question: are women entitled to self defence against sexual harassment? And I’d guess the answer probably lies in the middle of “yes every time” and “never” because no one should get raped for lack of self defence avenues, but also I don’t think someone should get burnt to death for cat calling someone else, no matter how inappropriate I may think it is.
However, if a woman (honestly, any SA victim, not just women) gets touched inappropriately and feels threatened, I think it’s fair to allow her to preemptively attack. So I’d say you can’t argue self defence without the presence of a physical threat. And even then, self defence obviously needs to be clearly outlined to minimise the likelihood of unjustified attacks.
That being said, this is both obviously clickbait and also a terrible idea simply because of how much uncontrolled collateral damage a flamethrower can do to others, structures and even first responders. So yeah, it’s a dumb idea. But I don’t think that’s because sexual assault is not a basis for self defence, rather because flamethrowers are extraordinarily unsafe weapons for everyone involved.
Great response. I agree.
Oh no, wont anybody think of the sex criminals just mind their own business harrassing women.
To be fair, I would very much encourage people to use knives or even guns for self defence before flamethrowers that can cause tons of collateral damage. Fire isn’t exactly something you can direct super clinically at someone without it also spreading everywhere.
Harassment is not justification for burning someone alive. You sound like a republican.
You sound like somebody that harasses women.
Edit: Not even being hyperbolic. You really are giving off those vibes fucking hard.
You sound like a republican.
You sound like someone who harasses women and needs new material.
Is that all you’re capable of? Insulting me over and over?
No, but you’re making it as easy as it is fun. All you have to do is stop responding and let me win.
EVERY TIME ANYTHING WOMAN RELATED COMES UP IN THE FEED, HERE YOU ARE ACTING IT OUT, EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. HOLY HELL WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST WOMEN? I NEED TO KNOW. WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?
For full context I have that user tagged as “incel” I don’t specifically remember why, but sure as shit seems accurate.
Not wanting to encourage people lighting other human beings on fire, if they decided the victim is an incel, means I hate women? Your worldview is unhinged. Maybe see someone about your violent fantasies.
You’re against those dick traps that rapists have to get removed at hospitals, too, huh?
Do you think rapists and incels are the same thing?
No, but you obviously do considering your reaction to what is blatantly a joke post.
Why did you decide an anti-rape/self defense device would be targeted at you enough to have such a strong negative reaction to it?
Yes or no? Any other answer will be interpreted as a yes. Are you concerned about getting set on fire with a device intended to hurt rapists in a self defense scenario?
Edit: Also still curious about your stance on dick traps.
I don’t consider this a personal attack. Do you not ever consider things from the perspective of others, or the health of your community, or call out behaviors that are concerning even if they don’t impact you personally?
Yeah, that’s exactly why I support the idea of immolating rapists. If you’re willing to accept people getting raped as collateral for your personal safety then why is it wrong for anyone to think the same of handsy creeps in the same way?
Also, that was a very strong yes.
Edit: The crickets on the dick thing is also a very strong yes.
Are your concerns for others or yourself?
For a society that encourages each other to light people on fire if they decide they’re an incel.
I mean a society that lights incels, would probably also expand that torchability to other groups rather quickly. And then people like the one above cry because nobody could have Seen THAT coming.
Mobs with torches tend to do very bad things when wrapped in righteousness.
Tell that to John Brown.
So, yourself.
Must be easy to keep your worldview when you refuse to see anything outside of it.
Oh my god, holy shit, that is genuinely fucking hilarious! You’re being earnest, aren’t you? Oh my god, I love it. You’re like the human equivalent of a Neil Breen movie. You wouldn’t work as a written character, they’d say you’re too unrealistic and two dimensional. Keep going, say more shit like that. You’re actively redefining comedy, and I’m here for it.
Perhaps you having to interpret reality through the lense of fiction is part of why you want to justify burning people alive. Life isn’t a storybook or a tv show. Go touch some grass.
YES! Just like that! More! MORE! I can’t get enough of you, mon ami! You. Are. ART!
There is no level of violence unacceptable for self defense against sexual assault. Keep your hands to yourself.
Disagree. Lighting someone on fire for the lowest form of sexual assault is not okay.
We’ll have to agree to disagree then. If you don’t want to catch fire, don’t sexually assault people.
Somehow I’ve managed to live nearly 3 decades without sexually assaulting anyone. You can do it too! I believe in you!
Nice that you simply assume I sexually assault people. If that’s the kind of thinking you do, I’m not surprised you enjoy violence.
If I don’t hear about women being arrested because some creep got immolated for catcalling them, I am going to be disappointed.
Over catcalling? That seems somewhat insane though no?
Unwanted touching or stalking or threatening and such i could see of course, but reciprocating men trying to get a womans attention (in a crappy and rude fashion) with literally death and/or permanent disfigurement and pain is a little drastic.
We rightly abhor the insane acid attacks committed on women over some minor transgression out of some fucked sense of honor, sometimes happening in certain countries; how is this a viable position to hold just because the genders are reversed?
The European age of mass human sacrifice in the form of witch burning (1450 to 1750) is certainly something we don’t want to bring back.
If someone’s physical safety is under threat then this seems like a reasonable tool for self protection.
Let’s hope someone doesn’t abuse it.
Theres catcalling, and then theres catcalling. Someone shouting something across the street should probally be ignored if possible.
Someone coming up behind you to tell you they are going rape you? Fire time.
Well, that’s the issue I find with this device, the same as guns or general physical force used against harasment and violence against women: it just leads to the woman getting arrested because the issue in the first place is that law enforcement and courts DO NOT take harasment and violence against women seriously
Bingo. This isn’t a solution to the problem, it’s a response. The actual problem isn’t being addressed in the slightest. People defending themselves will continue to get blamed for standing their ground. The only solace to be had from that is that women being arrested for “assault” will serve as external confirmation that these things are being used and that they work.
I too hope that anyone using this shit gets prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
That bear isn’t gonna know what it hit.
Selling something to anyone that can shoot flames up to 20 feet seems like a bad idea. Predators should probably be set on fire, but this sounds like it would take the entire block down with it.
It’s all about peer pressure: don’t bother her or they will suffer the consequences.
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