Why are you continuously moving the goalposts? As I said I don’t believe there’s a good solution, but I do support the idea behind it.

In an ideal, hypothetical world, the age check could be an anonymous government system where they can’t see what site is requesting the age check, and the site can’t see the real identity of the user: this would provide enough privacy and reliability. Unfortunately I don’t believe such a system can be made.

Yes? Instead of creating a whole set of laws tailor made to whatever techbros come up with next?

Ah please, it’s just a specifically egregiously example that I’m guessing most fediverse users would know about. The problem is hardly limited to discord, you can find similar activity on Instagram for example.

Parents

Yes, but also the kids who are being groomed are more often than not already in a vulnerable situation. Given that you are indeed familiar with the discord situation I don’t need to explain this any further I hope.

Awareness

I’m not sure I’m following, awareness by who? Kids who want attention? Groomers looking for kids to manipulate? The absent parents?

Moderation

Might help, but how do you enforce a moderator? Just look at R*ddit where spez himself moderated a jailbait sub.

Greed

Now this here I’ll agree would help, but it still doesn’t prevent those who are actively grooming from getting what they want.

Because it’s not sustainable. It’s very easy to just start something new whenever the law catches up. And as you said, the law shouldn’t be too restrictive, lest you lose the whole reason for having a social platform. Striking that balance for every niche and edge case would be a gargantuan task, even disregarding the technical requirements for something like that.

Well to entertain the offtopic games point, yes it’s a 3d game, but it also isn’t. It completely depends on what you’re actually doing inside Roblox. You can play extremely challenging parkour games, or literally just stand around in some lobby. To add onto that, it’s often played on tablets and phones, where all controls are condensed into left and right thumb controls.

And even giving that point to you that yes, some games are good for development, it isn’t at all related to the social media ban. I picked roblox specifically because of the chat function it has, and changed, to dodge the Australian age limit for social media.

An easier example would be discord, where, because of its more private nature, grooming has gone absolutely wild (youtube link). In these cases restricting their accounts to just DM’s would already help a ton, but having nuanced solutions like that for every platform that serves minors is nearly impossible I think.

Idk about 16 and never added my opinion about it as I’m no expert on any of this, I just read the occasional study here and there.

Banning infinite scroll is an interesting idea that I hadn’t heard before and feels like it would help with the addictiveness, but it wouldn’t help for platforms like discord where grooming is a rampant problem.

Yes, I threw Roblox in there because until just weeks ago it was primarily used as a social platform, at least by the few dozen kids I work with regularly. Cherry picking the fact that “games” increase hand-eye coordination is completely disregarding what type of game is being played, and is besides the point I was making.

As for a failure to imagine a solution, hosting a platform that

• has appeal to kids
• shouldn’t be monetized
• actually verifies the age of its users

is MUCH harder than what you make it seem like, especially if we want to preserve the privacy that they deserve. Should it be run by the government for something like eID? Should it be run by a bunch of volunteers like lemmy, disregarding the age check? Neither of these sound very attractive to me.

Also, comparing “ban social media use” to “destroy our freedom” is completely unhinged imo. As I said before I do think there should be a space for kids to talk to other kids, but I just don’t see a way for this to be realistically achievable online.

At the risk of sounding like an old man yelling at a cloud, this space for me was based in “real life” (not online) and here I found friends for life

Edit: funny to see you’re the one downvoting me, isn’t this a productive discussion?

I agree with all of those, but they point towards adolescents, where people are gaining adulthood.

For kids under say, 14 years old, you can simply look at children in your direct vicinity and observe the impact of abundant use of things like Youtube, Roblox and others (sorry I’m not hip with it), where it is impacting their motor and cooperative skills, as well as their confidence.

Saying that the platforms used by minors are an important aspect of their social life feels incredulous to me, given that spending time together IRL is such a big factor in learning how to converse with people with differing opinions, without being shielded from them by some engagement-optimizing algorithm.

Where I live, all of that, combined with the enormous pressure social media puts on these kids to always have to take others’ cameras in mind, with the ads showing them all sorts of bs, makes me feel like I wouldn’t have made it out of childhood like I have done.

Of course there are positives too, as you pointed out. Having an easily accessible network of peers could be a great help with questions you’d never ask anyone in your direct vicinity. Except that no platform where kids gather is actually safe, and easily transforms into grooming platforms.

So yea, a ban is definitely a ham-fisted approach, but in my opinion, given the already sketchy situation surrounding the privacy for such an age check, I personally can’t think of a better solution or middle ground to keep the positives of social media. Maybe force the platforms to abandon their current algorithms?

Sorry if it’s hard to read, i tried to proofread but I’m on mobile.

How so? It’s pretty much a fact now that social media use is extremely addictive and bad for children’s development.

I don’t know what age limit I’d set but Australia set it at 16 which most people seemed to agree with as reasonable.

While true, this is after the army had already made its way into the area by opening fire on the protestors. The protesters, after being confined to the square, didn’t see much point in resisting further, as their leadership fell apart and there had been plenty of casualties already. Right above the section you quoted:

At about 10:30 p.m., still being pummeled by rocks thrown by protesters, the 38th Army troops opened fire with live ammunition.[176] The crowds were stunned that the army was using live ammunition and fell back towards Muxidi Bridge.[176][179] The troops used expanding bullets,[11] prohibited by international law[180] for use in warfare between countries but not for other uses.[181]

The advance of the army was again halted by another blockade at Muxidi, about 5 km west of the square.[182] After protesters repelled an attempt by an anti-riot brigade to storm the bridge,[175] regular troops advanced on the crowd and turned their weapons on them. Soldiers alternated between shooting into the air and firing directly at protesters.[183][173][182] As the army advanced, fatalities were recorded along Chang’an Avenue. By far, the largest number occurred in the two-mile stretch of road running from Muxidi to Xidan, where “65 PLA trucks and 47 APCs … were totally destroyed, and 485 other military vehicles were damaged.”[37] Although troops advanced into Beijing from all directions, the majority of deaths during the night of 3 June occurred around the Muxidi area.[184][185][186][173][187][188]

Throughout the street fighting, demonstrators attacked troops with poles, rocks, and molotov cocktails; Jeff Widener reported witnessing rioters setting fire to military vehicles and beating the soldiers inside them to death.[189] On one avenue in western Beijing, anti-government protestors torched a military convoy of more than 100 trucks and armored vehicles.[190] They also hijacked an armored personnel carrier, taking it on a joy ride. These scenes were captured on camera and broadcast by Chinese state television.[191]

In the evening, a firefight broke out between soldiers and demonstrators at Shuangjing.[192]

Obviously this was far from a peaceful protest, with protesters attacking and killing soldiers after said soldiers were ordered to make their way to the square, and some of the protest leaders explicitly calling for bloodshed.

I don’t know how I would’ve handled it personally, as I lack the cultural background needed to properly understand the cause of the protest, but it feels disingenuous to call the dispersal “peaceful”. The fact that the government hides the official death toll also doesn’t help their reputation.

Yeah that’s true, in the case of just running a premade compose file sqlite is the better choice for sure

Oh lol I see, it happens

Performance isn’t the only advantage to a full postgres deployment. I have a central database for all of my self hosted apps which makes it really easy to back it all up.

I’ve had a lot of problems in the past from software crashes that left sqlite files in a corrupt state, backups where the sqlite file wasn’t properly closed leaving it in a weird unlockable state, transactions not completing when swap is used, etc. Besides that sqlite really doesn’t play nice with NFS, which is the basis for quite a few cloud storage providers.

“Best option” really depends on what self hosting looks like in your specific setup.

Why would you need this for your scenario? If you’re not downloading you can simply check the listenbrainz recommendations in the playlists that it creates for you

God that’s cool as hell, I really like it

Formuler tv box with the fladder app, or normal jellyfin android tv app when fladder stumbles

Embedded devs have heavy gambling addiction apparently

Anyone would do that on an autobahn, get out of the passing lane slowpoke xD

Something that works as a recursive dns server. Unbound, Blocky and Technitium are some examples.

If you’re hosting nextcloud anyway you might also want to check out the notes app. It creates a Notes folder in your account from which you can edit the markdown files, has a nice markdown editor in the nextcloud web UI, and comes with Android and iOS clients so you don’t have to setup file access and find a separate markdown editor.