And yes, I know people will say block keywords and communities, but people don’t understand some communities have rules and people must follow them.
This got reported as being not twitter or equal. I’m kind of on the fence about this. I see their point, but the original was twitter. Please tell me what you think in the comments, not just downvote or upvote. This will guide me in the future if we have any more posts like this.
Do whatever, ruleslawyering is not helpful. Is the community enjoying it? It stays. Is it detrimental? It gets removed. The “rules” should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.
Is someone posting vaguely in the direction of the intent of the community? That would be good enough for me.
Anyone trying to separate posts into increasingly niche communities (like the asinine dontdeadopeninside and nosafetysmokingfirst split on reddit) is not helping the community of posters and lurkers.
The “rules” should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.
I totally agree. Rules number 1, 4, and 5 are the most important, in my opinion. I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be rules in the communities; there definitely should be rules. Guidelines for what to post instead of what not to post will probably be more beneficial.
We need to keep the cycle going. Remove the post, so that OP can make their own fuck this I’m done post.
I don’t tend to think of wpt as specifically twitter posts. Maybe that’s how it started, but over time it has become a more generalized “screenshots of short text posts” type of thing in my mind. The “or similar” in the rules leaves a lot of ambiguity, but in my mind Twitter was always about short text posts, so any short text posts would fall under that “similar” umbrella. I wouldn’t object to seeing something from Facebook, Instagram, or Reddit being posted here as long as it was a text post and not super long, so it feels disingenuous to complain about a Lemmy post being here.
Especially since, twitter isn’t even twitter anymore. And the only thing you are going to get from what twitter has become is ragebait, bots, and racism. For “whitepeopletwitter” to continue and not end up dying from lack of content, it needs to start opening up to other sources that stick with the same idea as what twitter used to supply.
I think it’s the mod reason for removing that the person who reported it had a problem with.
It probably shouldn’t be allowed in the future, but given that it has > 300 up-votes and is only now spurring a finer definition of the rule, I think it warrants an exception. If OP reads this, they now know to post this kinda thing in a different community in the future. But removing this particular post seems a little harsh.
Edit: This is an awesome approach to moderation btw. People like you make lemmy great, thank you!
I was searching for a community to post it, but I couldn’t find any. This one seemed closer to the idea l, a post where it says something. I also think I saw a photo from Facebook in this community, so…m Maybe we need a community about posts like these, but not twitter.
Is there a lemmydrama like subredditdrama? Maybe a fedidrama community would work. I don’t know if one exists yet
You can post it in my community. Or Lemmy Shitpost. Here’s a link:https://lemmy.world/c/itsashitworld
I havent read the rules of the comm. but ive always perceived whitepeopletwitter as a place to post text based social media screenshots.
People like this need to accept and understand that we don’t want to talk about US politics everywhere, all the time.
It should be in YPTB, but they’ll just use that as more proof of their “outrage”.
the original was twitter
As in, the post was originally on Twitter? I’m not sure what this means
Yes, that’s what I mean. It was on a twitter like site.
Sounds fine to me, if this is a picture of a Twitter-like site then I don’t really see an issue
I am not sure how this changes the “the post was against the states rules which are there for a reason and the mod was the absolute most gentle about it” facts.
Did I get the facts wrong?
Fighting to remove as many posts as possible on Lemmy when we barely get any posts at all doesn’t make sense; ignore the people requesting you take a popular post down for some potential technicality.
You’re right.
I’m going to start posting my gunpla in cooking communities because we need content.
We have trolls here too. I’m okay if they take a hike, lol.
I don’t see the original. All I see are Lemmy related images and that, to me, doesn’t belong here.
Yea I’m avoiding american polotics as much as I can as well. Otherwise, it is EVERYTHING I see online.
Let me guess, European hosted? Yeah I ditched them for their suppression of pro-Luigi speech. Fuck em.
There be some dumb motherfuckers in here.
If youre gonna feed the trolls, can you give me some cheetos?
Genocide or murder is bad is only political under fascism. That someone is sad that humanist values are not held strongly enough should not be considered political. Just because anti-human perspectives are mainstream “politics”, doesn’t make them real, even if you are fatigued by being reminded of them, as fake controversy.
Just post and upvote the aww so that your happiness is blissfully enhanced.
I think it’s messed up to create these little safe spaces because people want to shield themselves from what’s going on in the world. Nobody is forcing them to interact with posts they don’t want to see, but it’s a different thing altogether to ban and block posts so that these ostrich types don’t have to face reality in their doomscrolling drip-feed.
Some of us in the US are fully aware of the situation, keeping ourselves updated with the latest information, engaging in community efforts, etc. and don’t have the energy to keep looking at the problem during our little time away from the problem. Does that make us Ostrich-like?
But of course, that doesn’t mean our experiences should dictate the way the rules are interpreted in a community meant for a global (albeit mostly English-speaking) audience.
So just keep scrolling then, bud. Why trying to stop people from expressing themselves just because you personally don’t like it? Talk about symptomatic of American politics as a whole!
When did I ever say people should stop? I expressed that it wears me down. I still see it everywhere, and I think people should keep talking about it despite it sucking to see plastered everywhere. Hence the last part of my previous reply.
Great, I said we need to talk more about Alex…and the collective fediverse said we need to not talk about politics. Real fucking clown shoes this place.
Lol, so clearly you’re not done with Lemmy.
Also, they’re right. Most of the world does not live in the US. Not everything needs to be about you. That kind of exceptionalism is one of the reasons your country is not popular right now.
Oh, Im done. Im done shilling for this platform. Mostly done browsing it. Any good i thought there was, im done. Its only a matter of time before lemmy fades into obscurity.
Good, go. Each one of you that does is one step closer to having a functioning platform that abides by community rules and we can have our political discourse and escape from it too when we want to.
I don’t want manicotti right now, I want a burrito, doesn’t mean I never eat manicotti or that manicotti is bad, but when I order a burrito and receive manicotti from the Mexican restaurant, yeah, I’m fucking pissed, no shit. They shouldn’t even have that shit. Now apply that to lemmy and shut the fuck up.
Nod
Fuck off dunce. Keep US politics out of non-political subs. Tf!? How’s this hard to understand?
ONLY PARTY ALIGNED POSTS ALLOWED! Why don’t you fuck off and get your memefix on Reddit instead if you’re into censorship? We literally created this place to get away from that.
Great, so you didn’t understand a single word of what i said. Says something about you dumb Americans trying to politicize every single thing. Suck a dick friend
Hey I’m in here fighting with you on your side, don’t lump all Americans in with the Hexbear and Grad users evading defeds (defeds that happened because they couldn’t keep political posts where they fucking belong, coincidence? I think not.)
Politics doesn’t belong in apolitical communities, American, Brazilian, Lithuanian or goddamn Laotian idgaf.
To some degree American politics dominate because there are just so many of us and shutting up isn’t our style, sure, but at least they need to keep that shit out of apolitical escapist spaces. Everyone deserves a break sometimes (and it’d probably do those assholes the most good, tbh).
My bad, I just got agitated by their comment. There are definitely many thoughtful ones among you
a mod on a single community is not the collective fediverse
More or less referring to this entire thread
yeah nobody told you we don’t need to speak about it. But there are other things we want to speak about as well.
You’re probably the family member or colleague that never gets invited anywhere. You sound insufferable.
Right, one post about alex was definitely keeping people from speaking.
As insufferable as I am we both know I dont get invited because im entirely uninterested.
Ignores the don’t X here sign then gets mad when they aren’t allowed to X
“It’s so unfair!” … as if the identical thing is not being done to literally everyone else all the time. Toddler logic.
A nuance that people often miss about lemmy.ml’s authoritarian policies - whereby they ban people from communities they’ve never even seen before - is not that it is done, but that when it is it cites a hidden set of rules that are nowhere ever written down. Little kid logic, where the rules mean whatever they feel like in that moment, and if you don’t like it then feel free to try to stop them.
Some people here are pushing for fascist Reddit 2.0, others for free-speech Voat, but most of us just want to get along somewhere in the middle without too much bother:-P.
My recollection is that Voat took a turn into being fascist Reddit 2.0 pretty quickly itself.
Turns out when you build a platform around anti-censorship you wind up with a small number of free speech enthusiasts and a large number of people who will be banned from any site with rules against hate speech.
Then when you have a site where 80% of the content is racism the 20% non racists leave.
Pretty much what happened to 4chan
Voat was so fucking toxic. Radioactive hate swamp.
Took about two seconds.
You mean these hidden rules at the top of the front page?
The rules only matter if the admins adhere to them and enforces them consistently.
Yes, you got me: by “hidden rules” I obviously meant the very highly visible, non-hidden ones, placed where nobody can miss them at the top of the page.
Those hidden rules, shown openly and have working links. So hidden. I heard McDonald’s hides the Big Mac from the public too.
The issue with a “no politics” rule though is that everything is political. It ends up just being the mods removing what they want to remove and letting what they want to see stay.
Okay and if the users of that community are happy with that and you are free to stay away, where is the problem exactly?
The issue is that users generally don’t get a say. Even in the fediverse, moderators aren’t chosen democratically. Yeah, you can start your own community and try to build it up, but inertia is not in your favor.
Anyway, my point is that a “no politics” rule is not really reasonable. You can have one, and you can enforce it however you want. It will always just end up causing issues though. For example: look up Nazi degenerate art. It’s just art, right? However, to them it was political, and it was political in a way they didn’t like, so they removed it from society.
No moderator is perfect. Even if you trust them, blurry rules probably aren’t the best. There’s better ways to define the intent than “no politics” that create clear borders of what’s allowed and what isn’t. Blurry rules are usually best for those who want to abuse it.
The issue is that users generally don’t get a say.
Yes that is because they don’t carry any of the responsibilities of running the server. Why would they be allowed to decide?
I didn’t say they should. Your comment implied that they did (or at least implies participation is consent). I just pointed out that they, in fact, do not. There is no value judgement in that statement.
I am excited to see how your lemmy instance works out. When will it go online?
I just saw this post on “All”. I’m not part of this community and I don’t care to open an alternative for it. I’m just point out how blurry rules are open for abuse. Just because you agree with the person running things today doesn’t mean someone in the future won’t use it to remove something you want to stay. I don’t understand how people don’t get this yet.
I already block so many keywords and communities here. It’s hard to keep up.
Thank you mods for helping keep some places free of US politics.
Amen!!
I won’t say all rules are valid or right, but this one just makes sense (in contrast to rules of some other communities, which outright ban certain opinions). Sometimes you don’t want to hear about all the doom and gloom, and for many people, it’s not good for their mental health to hear about it all the time. They know what’s happening, they need some time off.
Yeah, sometimes on the old place, you woukd seeposts removed for being political, on like, a news sub.
Like WTF, basically all polotocs literally is news, though not all news is political.
That said, I’m fine with having a general “news” that allows it all, “political news” that is strictly political, “apolitical news” that allows everything else but politics, “uplifting news” that is actually uplifting, “climate news” that is specifically about that, “science news” etc etc. This is the internet we can make the comms, we’re not running out of room to store them.
I think part of why it’s like this here is that in the beginning, before the exodus, it was necessary to keep comms broad because there were like 12 people here, but now it’s like 3y on, and I think we can get more specific now.
Another, larger part is the annoying hexbear and grad users, after annoying everyone so hard with oh y’know putting their politics where it didn’t belong (“weird” that it’s the same issue now) they got largely defederated, they started migrating to alts on other instances and instead of learning their lesson on why nobody likes them and pushing their politics where it does belong they just continue because the evangelism is the point.
Daft_ish has got a real problem if they’re that outraged by the mod’s response. I’ve seen plenty of powertriping arseholes to be mad at in my time, but this isn’t it.
US politics, including about the ICE murders, is spoken about more than enough across the English speaking internet.
I know as much about current US politics as I do my own country’s politics, because you can’t get away from it without blocking most posts on here.
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
I know more about US politics than my own country’s politics, which is a problem because it’s an election year and the Nazis need to get out of parliament.
I need to get into the details of things so I can do my civic duty, but I’m fucking exhausted from all the American politics that for my own sanity I just don’t want to.
Exactly. The far right of most countries barely even need to try anymore, the US has gotten so good at flooding the news that they even burn out people from other countries from the constant cynicism
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
Inb4: “You’re just privileged enough not to have to think about it.”
No, I just want a brief goddamn respite every once in a while, everybody deserves that. Just because I want to be able to escape into a fantasy world sometimes doesn’t mean that I never talk about politics either, it’s like cheating on your diet, just let me have a fucking cookie every now and again ffs!
Exactly. We’re not blind or don’t care about politics. I’m more than aware of my country’s problems and the US’s…
But how am I meant to not burn out on this stuff if I can’t get away from it?
Sure I could just detox from social media and go work on something that interests me, and that’s what I do most of the time…
But sometimes I do still want to chat with others, and it’d be nice to be able to do that and have it not be about politics.
This 100%. I care about politics. I deeply care about what’s happening with our country.
But I’ve had to pare down the places where I see it. I’ve stopped watching Last Week Tonight because it makes me feel so powerless on what I have control over. I absolutely love the show but I just…can’t anymore.
I’m acting locally, participating in whatever protests I can, calling and emailing my reps as often as I can.
But man…the right’s “flood the zone” works effectively and I can’t just keep burning out.
has a very mild run-in with one singular community’s admin “That’s it, I’m done with the entire platform !”
I had to switch instances a couple times before I found one who kinda tolerates my bullshit.
And a respectful and considerate encounter at that
Are they both the same person?
Lemmyshitposts doesn’t have a rule against political posts and I fucking hate it. Shitposts are sacred. A shitpost is just silly, irreverent humor. That’s it. The moment you bring an agenda into that space it changes into something else.
I would make c/politicalshitposts but I am not responsible enough to be in charge of anything other then a Crack pipe and a liquor bottle.
There was a while there where I was really into wholesome memes. People really don’t get what wholesome is. I started getting legitimately upset at what people thought was appropriate there so I had to block the communities.
I remember that. It’s seems to have toned down a little but, like, no Lemmy, a murder revenge fantasy isn’t a wholesome meme. Jfc
on the flip side there’s the million “orphan crushing machine forgot to crush one orphan today! so wholesome!” type posts that are even worse imho…
you know the ones: “kids save up to buy wheelchair for classmate”, “kid works 80h weeks to pay off lunch debt”, “kid works at meat packing plant after school to afford bicycle”, and on and on.
each is more depressing than the previous.
these types of posts are the exact opposite of wholesome, yet frequently get upvoted on wholesome communities and it’s just…what is wrong with people? why would you think that shit is wholesome??
neither the stuff you mentioned, nor the orphan crushing machine stuff should be on wholesome communities.
tbf, i noticed the popular wholesome comms seem to be doing a lot better on this front lately! waaay less orphan crushing machine, and way less of the “x died, yippee!” posts.
For sure, those were the posts that ultimately got me off other social media and lead me here, haha.
A few years ago on reddit I tried to put together a little multireddit of wholesome and positive-news subs, but so many of the posts were Orphan Crushing Machine material that I gave up :/
I think that’s been dealt with since in case you want to check again.
Time, place, audience. Daft_ish thinks Lemmy needs a reminder that Alex Pretti was murdered in broad daylight? Imagining them walking up to Greta Thunberg while she’s eating a vegan soup for dinner and reminding her about how awful commercial fishing is
