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Can we get links to the threads? I feel like I’m being manipulated, I don’t even know what the guy was responding to.
Nah, since then that causes brigading.
Tankies can’t fathom this, but you don’t need to be a campist. You can say both Israel and Hamas are bad for Palestinians.
They both may be bad, but one is a symptom of the other. If it were not for the zionist states actions, hamas would not be a ‘problem’.
You’re not alluding that the 7th of October massacres were Israel forcing Hamas’ hand, surely?
Given that isreal has one of the largest intelligence networks, supplied and supported by the single largest military force on the planet.
One which has, since the late 40s, run a campaign of massacring every single Palestinian native they can get their hands on while the rest of the world watches.
I’m not saying that if you run an apartheid state and openly tell the world your goal is the eradication of the indigenous people, that you’re setting up the conditions for said indigenous people to fight back, but I will say that it’s highly unlikely that the surveillance state running the open air prison is unaware of their actions.
There’s also the fact that a considerable number of the deaths on october 7th were caused by the Hannibal protocol
There’s also the fact that a considerable number of the deaths on october 7th were caused by the Hannibal protocol
That’s blatantly false. There’s no evidence of that.
One former Israeli officer, Air Force Colonel Nof Erez, told a Haaretz podcast the directive was not specifically ordered but was “apparently applied” by responding aircrews.
Panicked, operating without their normal command structure and unable to coordinate with ground forces, they fired on vehicles returning to Gaza, knowing they were likely carrying hostages.
“This was a mass Hannibal. It was tons and tons of openings in the fence, and thousands of people in every type of vehicle, some with hostages and some without,” Colonel Erez said.
Air force pilots described to Yedioth Ahronot newspaper the firing of “tremendous” amounts of ammunition on October 7 at people attempting to cross the border between Gaza and Israel.
“Twenty-eight fighter helicopters shot over the course of the day all of the ammunition in their bellies, in renewed runs to rearm. We are talking about hundreds of 30-millimetre cannon mortars and Hellfire missiles,” reporter Yoav Zeitoun said.
“The frequency of fire at the thousands of terrorists was enormous at the start, and only at a certain point did the pilots begin to slow their attacks and carefully choose the targets.”
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Yup, no evidence to see here at all
Nof Erez didn’t say that a formal Hannibal order was issued, he described that it was chaotic and there was a breakdown of command and mass firing at vehicles carrying suspected militants. This doesn’t mean that the Hannibal directive was activated (even though it’s been rescinded). The colonel was also retired, he wasn’t a part of any command structure at the time. He was giving his opinion and interpretation of the chaos, which isn’t conclusive of anything but his commentary.
None of your quotes establishes just how many Israelis were killed by friendly fire, or that the Hannibal Order was invoked to target a considerable number of civilians, or that friendly fire caused a significant portion of deaths.
There remains zero evidence that the major proportion of deaths was caused by friendly fire. There is zero evidence that the Hannibal directive was widely reinstated on the 7th of October. There was probably friendly fire during urban skirmishes, given the environment and the lack of clear identification of who was who, but again, there is no evidence of systemic civilian friendly fire (there is evidence of some squad friendly fire, crossfire, but nothing on the scale of helicopters and heavy ammunition deliberately targeting civilians)
Yep, nothing to see here, just admissions by their own state media and by international organisations stating that nothing happened at all
Do you work for the zionist entity?
Up to you, the zionist state has its history is marred in the blood of innocent Palestinians.
mm
do you think there are innocent Israelis?
It might shock you but; Yes! Despite the horrifying statistics from that country showing that more than half of them believe Palestinians should be eradicated, there’s still people in that country who oppose the genocide, including many hasidic jews that are actively protesting and being abused in the streets for protesting
im pretty sure the majority of both Palestinians and Israelis believe the other should be eradicated. really is awful
This is kinda like the argument: Russia only invaded Ukraine because of NATO’s expansionism.
Yeah NATO is bad but that doesn’t justify anything Russia decides to do. They have free will
The whole comment section was a shitshow filled with much worse examples.
Maybe I’ll grab a few tomorrow and post them.
It’s disheartening to see so much antisemitism disguised as anti-zionism.
Gee didn’t know that making sure people having the self determination of where they live was an arbitrary standard.
Also I’d need to double check but while a majority of Gaza’s population is under the age of 18 I don’t recall any confirmation that being the average among Hamas’ Ranks
self-determination is burgeois. You know what is not burgeois? A party composed of people with too much influence, that’s what.
Well, as I always say, now ask how they feel about Azov or Bandera.
Azov has nazi-origins though. Not sure you can really make the full comparison. You can probably make the comparison that Azov and Hamas are both antisemitic?
Problematic people fighting against a more powerful entity in all cases, though Azov is a lot less problematic now and has never attacked Russia on its territory.
Hamas is the direct result of the zionist settlements in Palestine and the incredible inhumane violence they made them suffer. Do you really think the Palestinian people can ever live peacefully with Israel, when the zionists’ goal is to colonize and exterminate the nations from the whole area from Egypt to Syria, including Lebanon and Jordan? They’re purposefully committing one of the most blatant genocide and the cruelest crimes against humanity the world has ever since since the Nazis.
How else are Palestinians supposed to defend themselves when they have nothing else left and no one to help them? And who’s to believe whatever the media has said about Hamas when the narrative is controlled by zionists and zionist allies? All that’s been said about the October 7th attack and how Hamas killed babies and raped women and what not, has all been so greatly exaggerated by zionist extremists, and also proven to be false through many investigations, that you can’t believe everything that’s been said about what happened. Whether it’s true or not. It’s a shame that innocent civilians had to die, but when these civilians are living in a violent colony and participating in that colony, they’re essentially enabling this ongoing genocide. So are they really even innocent?
Surrender, negotiations and peace talks were never on the table with Israel to begin with. Violence is all the Palestinians have left against Israeli occupation and genocide, unfortunately. Whether you like it or not.
It’s a shame that innocent civilians had to die, but when these civilians are living in a violent colony and participating in that colony, they’re essentially enabling this ongoing genocide. So are they really even innocent?
You realise this is exactly what Israeli propagandists say about Palestinians?
If you’re against zionism, why would you even go live in Israel though?
Some people were born there.
🤦♂️ugh. You’re right.
