#indieweb 2018-12-24

2018-12-24 UTC
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[tantek] good evening indieweb
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[jgmac1106] Evening
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[jgmac1106] Off to bed after wrapping presents
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWev
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Zegnat s/IndieWev/IndieWeb/
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[tantek] Good morning Zegnat! just under an hour left here (PST) for today's IndieWeb Challenge
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[jgmac1106] look who is live with his new digs!! https://jgregorymcverry.com/
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[schmarty] Congrats [jgmac1106] !
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[jgmac1106] yep no more WordPress until the next "How do I WordPress Club" in Jan
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[relapse] Excellent work, [jgmac1106]
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jgmac1106 Who is relapse?
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jgmac1106 …sorry not asking, you if you have a name on chat-names Loqi answers for you
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jgmac1106 I did learn the obvious that img urls do not auto redirect
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GWG jgmac1106, I have mixed feelings, but congratulations
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jgmac1106 I will be there to help as always @gwg..and bringing you dozens of new WP users every semester
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GWG I am starting to think following and discovery is the next year of after the year of the reader
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jgmac1106 but it was more me aging out of WP…feeling the contraints of a CMS when I just want to do stuff in HTML/CSS without the overhead
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jgmac1106 agree, this will be the year of discovery..though I think the webring makes good architechture for this
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GWG The.. I have this great new reader, I can get replies on my posts... but how do I get people interacting with me and vice versa?
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jgmac1106 FYI [relapse] Here is the page if interested
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jgmac1106 [gwg] by writing great content often
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jgmac1106 everyone in the open learnign copying my following page that I copied from Chris
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cjwillcock good morning
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Loqi good morning
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[jgmac1106] mornign cj
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bradenslen Good Morning Indieweb
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Loqi bradenslen: [jgmac1106] left you a message 1 week, 5 days ago: do not use withknown.com for latest info. Use Marcus Povey's blog mapkyca.com
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bradenslen Thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome, bradenslen
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jgmac1106 feeds Loqi cookie
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jgmac1106 oops no cookie for you
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jgmac1106 Brad {gwg] already called dibs on making 2019 year of discovery
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jgmac1106 thanks for all the background thinking you have been doing
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bradenslen jgmac1106 GWG! Well it's good to know the big guns are thinking about discovery!
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GWG bradenslen: Am I a 'big gun'?
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GWG I just said that is the next logical thing after readers
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bradenslen GWG you are very important, even if you don't fully realize that. Thank you for all the work you do.
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GWG bradenslen: I don't think I really figure out the big mysteries of the community though
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bradenslen GWG it's too late jgmac1106 has you down as a volunteer!
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GWG But, I thought about following after the Vouch conversation at IWS
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GWG I have some stuff in that area
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GWG Specifically about following posts/pages for the purpose of Vouching. But it would extend into discovery.
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bradenslen Vouch will be important in the years or months ahead, to prevent webmention spam for sure
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GWG But implementations are still minimal
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bradenslen I have no idea on the coding just the concept
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bradenslen nor do I really understand the Big Mysteries of Indieweb either but I try
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[jgmac1106] No big guns, let others go at it behind the lines, we just need to cover the field of fire of front line, suppression fire at silos, armed with our own websites... But I promised no more war metaphors...
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GWG bradenslen: This isn't coding. That's for the -dev room
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GWG bradenslen: The questions are...how do I discover new content? Like Vouch, they often works on the FOAF principle.
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GWG So, if you follow me...and I am posting things in response to or written by others, what should that do?
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GWG Don't worry about the plumbing.
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GWG Only the experience
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bradenslen Yeah it needs to lead you back to the source
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GWG bradenslen: What does that experience look like? should there be a 'recommendation system' like sites often put in? "People who liked aaronpk might like tantek"?
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GWG None of us what to build something too complicated on that front
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bradenslen yes recommendation algos are hard
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GWG Which is why I'm asking what the behavior is
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bradenslen In the big picture I think the Indieweb needs many different means of discovery. Some need to be obvious to less experienced web users
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GWG I think that in a reader, one of the options if someone reposts an article should be follow the author.
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bradenslen right
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[jgmac1106] communities are discovery, looking for indieweb content? go through chat-names, need to create ethos as much as tech
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bradenslen Yes. And we can't forget that the indieweb is bigger than micro formats and h-cards and stuff
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GWG I didn't
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GWG I asked about UI
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bradenslen sorry I was responding to Greg. I'm not sure I can help with UI
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[tantek] indeed bradenslen, indieweb is not even primarily microformats and h-cards and stuff. it's about /principles and direct user benefits. "microformats and h-cards and stuff" are purely the simplest/easiest means to those ends, the least developer work for interoperability across our sites using different solutions.
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GWG [tantek]: Either way, I'll ask you. How can we build communities?
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[tantek] slowly, organically. with patience, and kindness.
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GWG [tantek]: I just don't know how to find people to follow
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tomasparks GWG: use the wiki luke
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GWG tomasparks: I don't find the chat-names page very helpful in that regard.
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GWG I wouldn't mind if that became a tool
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bradenslen GWG: I've had the best luck by seeing who the people I know interact with
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bradenslen Also Micro.blog has been very helpful
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[jgmac1106] I just meant chat-names as a proxy for a list of community members.
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[jgmac1106] We know how to do that <a href="myfriendssite.com"> check out Brad</a>
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[tantek] GWG, that sounds like a good brainstorming section for /reader
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[jgmac1106] What is discovery?
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Loqi Discovery for the IndieWeb is a set of algorithms to start with a URL like a home page or post permalink, and determine information about that URL, such as authorship, page-name, and date published https://indieweb.org/discovery
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[jgmac1106] Nope not the page I am looking for
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[tantek] e.g. a reader could keep track of all the h-cards in posts that it sees, and suggest following any that you're not already following
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GWG [tantek]: Austin?
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[jgmac1106] I do think tools like grant built with the directory can work. I like that they are opt in
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bradenslen What would be cool is an auto updating blogroll because maintaining blogroll is work
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[jgmac1106] Weird thing even though I have a follower page I am deliberately not offering an OPML file.
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[jgmac1106] @bradenslen for IndieWeb community that is possible now.
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KartikPrabhu what is follow post?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "follow post" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "follow post is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu what is following?
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Loqi follow is a common feature (and often UI button) in silo UIs (like Twitter) that adds updates from that profile (typically a person) to the stream shown in an integrated reader, and sometimes creates a follow post either in the follower's stream ("… followed …" or "… is following …") thus visible to their followers, and/or in the notifications of the user being followed ("… followed you") https://indieweb.org/following
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[jgmac1106] We have a page where we were documenting Tumblrs UI discovery can't remember name. Let me go through contributions
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bradenslen I also like the idea somebody had of listing those who have commented on a blog
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[jgmac1106] I think we also undersell role of wiki and Loqi and Fandom community would love those tools
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[tantek] I think you would get a lot of suggestions even if a reader just kept track of who you're following linked to
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[jgmac1106] [sebsel] did two degrees of likes didn't he in Nuremberg.
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GWG I remember [tantek] was talking about that in regard to responses
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bradenslen [jgmac1106] I agree the wiki is under utilized. Also I never have seen an interior page of the wiki come up in a search engine result.
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[jgmac1106] <-- Needs to go change the links on GitHub to log into wiki
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[jgmac1106] No... Not under utilized...under recognized as a building block
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bradenslen Greg correct. I misspoke. The wiki is cool and a tremendous asset and needs more - exposure.
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[jgmac1106] In a way we never mention the glue that holds everything together when we talk about building another glue factory
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[jgmac1106] Who is bradenslen?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Ramblinggit.com
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[jgmac1106] Who is gwg?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:David.shanske.com
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GWG [jgmac1106]: I just want to improve the glue recipe
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[jgmac1106] Discovery in many ways works today. To me I would start with Fandom and show how this experience could be spun up.
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bradenslen even the examples in the wiki of who is using what are good leads to discovery
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[jgmac1106] What is yarns?
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Loqi Yarns Indie Reader or Yarns for short, is an reader that is built for use with WordPress as a plugin https://indieweb.org/Yarns
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GWG [jgmac1106]: What of Yarns?
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bradenslen I might try Yarns
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[jgmac1106] Use yarns to spin up the tales of who to follow.
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[jgmac1106] Not totally done yet
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[jgmac1106] I loved idea of fedwiki too hard to understand
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[jgmac1106] But for WP I would look into a Micropub wikity.cc solution
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GWG I need to give him some fixes and do some additional testing
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GWG For the parser.
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[jgmac1106] tantek++ best community advice in long time
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Loqi tantek has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (79 in all channels)
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GWG tantek needs more karma
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GWG [tantek]++
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Loqi [tantek] has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (80 in all channels)
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jacky lol
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