Hello everyone,
Based on the recent instability of Lemmy.world, a lot of people have been wondering whether they should move to another instance.
I used to look at https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list and recommend people to pick a generalist instance with as much users as possible (using the 1m column), usually
- lemm.ee
- sh.itjust.works
- sopuli.xyz
- lemmy.one
- reddthat.com
- etc.
Of course, there are also the regional options
And of course, the thematic instances
- programming.dev
- lemmy.blahaj.zone
- discuss.tchncs.de
- lemmy.dbzer0.com
- etc.
I used to recommend the most populated instances, as we know that All depends on users subscribed from the instance.
However, now with the introduction of the Lemmy Community Seeder (https://github.com/Fmstrat/lcs), which
tells your instance to pull the top communities and the communities with the top posts from your favorite instances
do you think this should still apply? I have seen promising instances (high uptime, already on 18.4 that was released today)
- discuss.online
- lemmy.ninja
- unilem.org
- etc.
Would you recommend users to join those as well, assuming that the admins use the LCS to populate the All feed? Most of us remember the Vlemmy.net disappearance, and it’s difficult to tell users to join small instances based on good faith, but at the same time, every instance needs to start somewhere, and they should be given a chance.
What do you think?
High on my list of important attributes is an instance that specifically does not defederate from others. If I see something I don’t want to see anymore I just block it myself. But I’d rather be treated like an adult capable of making my own decisions about what to see and read. If you’re also looking for this I suggest unilem.
Not even the the instances that host outright hatred or drawn CP? Having that federate in is pretty bad.
No illegal content so definitely no CP. I believe that hate speech is banned of it meets the threshold of incitement to violence.
AFAIK you can’t block an instance from your account. I.e. I like to keep tabs on the invasion of Ukraine, but one of the instances I used to use for that still federates with lemmygrad, so I would get russian propaganda in my feed from time to time. I would block that user, but there would always be another one eventually. I just don’t usually use that instance much any more.
Yeah it’s a pity - I hope the core Lemmy devs can find a way to facilitate personalised instance blocking, but I have a feeling that it’s not as simple as it sounds.
Sync for lemmy let’s you do this.
You can block instances with certain apps. Sync does it, I forget which others.
If I were to move instance for some reason, my primary concern would be that they aggressively and pro-actively moderate bigotry of all sorts, rather than "both sides"ing it
100%, I’m weary of instances with little to no defederations
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Yeah. The reason why mine is so large is because it copies over from across the fediverse, not just in lemmy.
So…beehaw?
TBF, I have accounts at beehaw, world, and sopuli in addition to kbin. Each one has its own feel, and sometimes I’ll pull one up just based on my mood.
More than likely, yeah
I advertised my instance in a different thread. It’s been almost exclusively a single-user instance, and I use both LCS and Lemmony to federate popular content. I’ve been exceedingly happy with it and don’t plan on going anywhere, so I figured I could handle a few extra users.
So if your criteria include:
- High uptime
- Federation with popular content
- Sensible rules
… feel free to check my instance out. Do note that so far, I’ve only defederated from exploding-heads (right-wing trolls) and threads (preemptively, of course).
I’ll probably cap registrations at 100 users or so, just to make sure my systems can handle the load, then see where things stand.
Interesting, thanks for sharing
I went with Feddit.uk as I am in the UK and it also helps give a more local spin to things because, increasingly, the English-language web seems to default to an American take on things and so going local helps counter that.
Plus uptime is good and the admin has said they will wield the defederation hammer sparingly.
with as much users as possible
Wouldn’t this lead to the same problems lemmy.world is having?
I would recommend choosing based on interests, rules that align with you, proximity to where you live, stuff like that. Population is not a problem, you can still participate everywhere because of federation.
The issues with choosing a small instance (let’s say less than 500 users) is that your All feed would be quite empty, as only communities that people on your instances subscribed to would show up, which is an issues with discoverability of new content.
As I said in the post, the LCS tool can be a mitigation against that.
Otherwise, I generally agree with you
I joined the fediverse a couple months ago, before the reddit protest started, admins of lemmy.ml were asking people to join smaller instances because they were being overloaded.
So an instance with less than 500 users was the parameter I used to choose, that instance was lemmy.world lol, look at where they are now.
I created a second account on lemm.ee only a few days ago for various reason, being populated wasn’t one of them :)
You can lurk all the federation in clients, better choose an instance of your liking and is federated.
That’s what I did, but some users are really afraid of having to change instances
I’m the admin of mine. Why? Because I enjoy doing, it’s in the spirit of decentralisation, and I didn’t want to risk being part of an instance that defederates from leftist instances like Lemmygrad or Hexbear. I only intend to proactively defederate from fascist and troll instances, and NSFW to reduce legal drama.
And this is the big advantage of Lemmy being decentralized, people don’t need to choose an instance with your political idiology.
“I don’t defederate from leftist instances, but do from rightist instances”. Okay
Uh, yes?
Just saying it’s called biased
Being able to run your own instance with any policies you want is a strength of lemmy.
When you are running a mainstream public service, you should be automatically obliged to uphold every dissenting speech. Otherwise, you will end up effectively censoring free speech
I know instances don’t have to technically do that. But the same argument can be said for countries too. Islamic fascist countries like Iran say, “we will run our country whatever way we want”, which translates to murdering atheists, homosexuals, non-muslims and apostates, axing every obvious right, etc etc
Hey, I get where you’re coming from, but I don’t see this as being a ‘free speech’ issue. This isn’t a public service that anyone is obliged to use - it’s social media that I’m spending my time and money administering, and I don’t want that effort to in any way spread right wing discourse, because I see it as harmful.
Similarly, even if it was a public service that we’re talking about, say a national broadcaster, I don’t buy into the notion that they should carry ‘both sides of the story’ out of a sense of ‘balance’, or upholding ‘free speech’, if the other side are nutters.
You have to right to do what you want, people criticizing your choices are those who are confused about what free speech really means (hint: it’s about the government, it doesn’t apply to private entities).
Free speech means they don’t arrest you for what you say, it’s about the government, not private entities.
Private platforms are free to do what they want, free speech rules don’t apply to them.
I have already answered your line of argument in my comment you replied against. I’m not going to repeat it if you can’t comprehend
No one wants you alt-right dipshits around and you need to get over it
Ah the classic, braindead namecalling. Always works™️
When you are running a mainstream public service
What government is running a Lemmy instance and allowing regular people to make personal accounts?
I know instances don’t have to technically do that. But the same argument can be said for countries too.
Any individuals claiming sovereign immunity likely need mental help.
Imho, the argument doesn’t translate to countries. In Iran, the government has a monopoly on governing, and most people can’t just hop over to another country with different laws. In effect, you can be stuck with a system you don’t like.
In the digital world, and Lemmy in particular, the same is not true. If you have a computer, you can “start a new country” with your own rules. No one is forced to join, and you can’t force anyone else to do anything. As a whole, Lemmy allows all opinions. The problem is central power, and free federated software is a solution.
I get that. It’s an analogy, so it’s not going to be exactly the same particular situation. My point is when MANY BIG instances choose to censor one set of opinions, it’s going to stifle free speech. Until the censored people, make and grow their own instance up to the same level of popularity
I like the sound of that, is hexbear federated with your instance yet?
Yes, has been for maybe 48 hours now and I have seeded their popular communities.
Hell yeah, I’m concerned that if SDF decides to block instance they will include Lemmygrad and Hexbear so I might make an account on yours. I assume you’re defederated from stuff like exploding heads, rammy, and burggitt?
Actually just checked your list, perfect blocked instances list and absolutely sick instance theme. Love it. I’m in 😎
Yeah, all of those are blocked. You can see the current list here
Alright, I’m here. Also I would recommend including a link to lemmyverse.net as well as the feddit browser in the sidebar. Feddit hasn’t shown some Lemmygrad stuff for me before.
Welcome! And thanks, good tip. I’ll try and update it later today.
Also I’d recommend blocking the lemmit.online instance, it’s just bot spam. I block the bot itself so it doesn’t worry me but for newer uses it can flood the all feed.
My three top criteria for picking an instance were:
- Little to no defederation issues, in either direction.
- Likely to stick around for the long term.
- Relatively small.
Yeah similar, especially the longevity
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SDF is indeed a nice community.
The issue with Beehaw is their defederation from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, which prevents accessing some communities (even though I’m not a 100% if it’s bidirectional or only one way)
I went with lemmy.one because of privacyguides from reddit, and I liked that the move of actually being serious about the protest by making an alternative to move away from. Very few of the subreddits I subscribed to ever decided to make an instance or a fediverse community, so lemmy.one was what I defaulted to in the beginning. Since then Android has made an instance too, so that’d be my second choice. Anyways, that’s how I decided by going with what I was familiar with.
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Star Trek is cool
I have an account on Beehaw.org because I like their vibe and moderation policy, an account on sh.itjust.works for the occasional community creation (!olympics@sh.itjust.works promo time) and my main account on jlai.lu which is in my country and language.
So my main choice is regional, and then it’s based on moderation policies & community creation permissions, etc., while on generalist instances. I’m thinking of swapping sh.itjust.works for a smaller, better moderated generalist instance that still allows community creation.
My Mastodon account is on mastodon.sdf.org When the whole Reddit-o-pocalypse went down SDF spun up a Lemmy instance a few days later I asked to join They now have a handful of Lemmy instances regionally
I automatically selected sopuli.xyz because it is also regional instance for us finns.
Lemm.ee is similarly estonian.
I’ve been on quite a few. But I mostly was on lemmy.world but their reliability is low. So I switched to Lemmy.ca who federated with basically everyone. Unlike World. I was on .ml for a while too but left for some reason. I’m also on Beehaw, I like it over there but it’ll never be my home instance mostly because you can’t create communities and they don’t federate with most of the ones I like. Being on Lemmy.ca allows me to interact with World and Beehaw from one account which is really nice. They also have really high up time!
