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Removed Comment Imagine thinking it's propaganda when you can just look at how Palestinians are treated under Hamas rule.
I'm honestly surprised Republicans aren't on the side of Hamas, they want the same thing theologically . It just means they'd have to fight over who's mythological being is more powerful when all their other enemies are gone.
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>Former far-right elements made up a portion of the communist government and millitary, as this was only a decade out from World War II. The fact that they were retained doesn’t mean they weren’t fascists, or that they had pulled a full 180. Just a decade prior, Horther’s regime had been gleefully assisting the Nazis, such a complete turnaround is impossible in such a short span of time.
Well fascists are still remaining in today's age, I don't need to mention on what is happening in USA with Trump and in Russia with Putin. It cannot be argued that Horthy was a controversial person (liberals like I hate him), an antisemite scum, and enacted policies which were fascist, [like limiting jews number in pursuing higher education to an X number in 1920](https://kultura.hu/en/numerus-clausus-law/), but as the Head of State even having basically absolute power, [he barely used his powers when any then present party made legislations and such.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikl%C3%B3s_Horthy)
Stating that Horthy gleefully assisted the Nazis are incredibly biased, [because this was more nuanced than a simple black and white comparison. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikl%C3%B3s_Horthy#Uneasy_alliance) While in fact he did part with the Nazi regime more than the USSR, a gleefully nazi supporter wouldn't have banned the Arrow Cross Party.  
Additionally he refused Hitler's demands when he wanted hungarian troops to help the attack on Checzhoslovakia, took in polish refugees in 1939 when the war broke out and helped them escape to the allied powers if they wished to do so, and only joined the war in 1942. [He also wanted to leave from the war in 1944, but he was forced to resign and give power to the banned Arrow Cross Party in threat of his son's life.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Panzerfaust#Capture_of_Horthy)
On the other side Horthy ofc done some other vile things, such as the war crime of the Novi Sad raid, [putting jews on forced labor programmes, deporting them to ghettos, etc., but fortunately atleast they weren't so insane to comply with nazi deportation requests in 1942-44.](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-holocaust-in-hungary)
[In this case he used his executive powers and replaced the then antisemite party in 1944 and stopped the deportation of Jews into nazi territory, but ofc this feels more like a trying to leave the Axis powers, and not feeling the blood of dead jews on his soul.]()
But let's go back to the 1956 Revolution. You insist of thinking that the whole Revolution was made entirely or mainly by fascists, so let's see [what kind of leaders were present in this revolution.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956#%3A%7E%3Atext=Commanders%2C+leaders)
- Imre Nagy -> Main figure of the revolution, former member of the Communist Party (because he was expelled after trying to relax the brutality of stalinist hardliners scums), [held socialistic beliefs who was against stalinism and would have let coalition parties to exist in a socialist framework](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imre_Nagy#%3A%7E%3Atext=By+30+October%2Cpre-1948+coalition+parties). Executed by Kádár
- Pál Maléter -> Initially fought with the Axis in WW2, but became a communist and fought against the nazis in Transylvania. Was a member of the Communist Party. [He insisted to only support the revolution if it goes against any horthyst restauration efforts.](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal%C3%A9ter_P%C3%A1l#Mal%C3%A9ter_politikai_elk%C3%A9pzel%C3%A9sei). Executed by Kádár
- Miklós Gimes -> Political friend of Imre Nagy. His parents were jews, but he was converted to unitarianism. Founder of Magyar Szabadság. Held socialistic beliefs. Executed by Kádár
- Géza Losonczy -> Was a member of the Communist Party. Held socialistic beliefs. Directed the Communist Party led newspaper called Szabad Nép.
- Zoltán Tildy -> Christian, former member of the Smallholders' Party. [Voted in the 2nd jew legislation](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tildy_Zolt%C3%A1n_(politikus)), which also limited higher education and factory ownership under an X number. However later he stated that ["anti-Semitism was contrary to the principles of humanity, and warned that it began with hatred of Jews and extended to all men"](https://www.jta.org/archive/hungarian-president-premier-attack-anti-semitism-at-ceremony-marking-ouster-of-jews). and [created a Holocaust memorial.](https://cja.huji.ac.il/hmm/browser.php?mode=alone&id=317066#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+memorial%2Creliefs+for). There is also another document stating he [was present in commemorating jewish victims of the Holocaust](https://www.etd.ceu.edu/2025/kende_agnes.pdf#%3A%7E%3Atext=president+of%2Cthe+municipal). Also he was a part of the antifascist Magyar Front.
- Béla Kovács -> Also a member of the Smallholders Party. [He was participating in anti nazi movements](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kov%C3%A1cs_B%C3%A9la_(politikus,_1908%E2%80%931959)). Anti communist. Soviet authorities deported him and sentenced to 20 years, just because of not supporting the Rákosi regime.
- Anna Kéthly -> Former member of the Social Democratic Party. [Opposed all anti-jewish legislations](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A9thly_Anna#%3A%7E%3Atext=K%C3%A9thly+Anna+a+t%C3%A1rsadalmi%2Cb%C3%ADr%C3%A1l%C3%B3j%C3%A1v%C3%A1+v%C3%A1lt). She made socialistic articles. Opposed of merging into the Communist Party, and several of the Social Democratic Party members including her were arrested by the communists.
- József Dudás -> Was a member of the Communist Party before WW2, also was a member of the Smallholders party after WW2. Communist beliefs. He was also a member of the antifascist Magyar Front. Executed by Kádár
- Sándor Kopácsi -> Not jewish, however his parents and himself were anti-fascists and [hid and rescued their jewish friends](https://collections.yadvashem.org/en/righteous/4039994). They saved Katalin Fodor and Mihály Gyarmathy, Pál Fodor, Miklós Világ, László Neumannn and myriad of others. Sándor specifically rescued Ibolya Fried from a ghetto. [Source 2](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-mar-09-me-35493-story.html)
- Béla Király -> Fought on the Eastern front with the Axis both before the Arrow Cross got into power and after. [He guarded a jewish batallion in the Don River, where he gave them warm clothing, decent food, and medical attention. Israel gave him the "Righteous Among the Nations" accolade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9la_Kir%C3%A1ly#%3A%7E%3Atext=Kir%C3%A1ly+saw+combat%2Cof+the+Jewish+prisoners). Joined the Communist Party. Rákosi regime arrested and tried to hang him due to charges on espionage. Ernő Gerő, a hardliner stalinist paroled him. He is the one who became the leader of the Hungarian Freedom Fighters Federation by the CIA in 1963, [where the HFFF was created AFTER the 1956 revolution](https://dokumen.pub/qdownload/east-central-european-migrations-during-the-cold-war-a-handbook.html). You may wish to disprove me that a [HFFF existed before 1956, however this certain HFF was made by the hungarian Communist Party and it's purpose was to train the population, especially with slogans such as "Take your aim at the imperialist enemy! Fire!".](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP82-00046R000200350006-5.pdf) There is no evidence that this HFFF is the same HFFF that Béla became the leader of in 1963
- Gergely Pongrátz -> Definitely anti communist, including his parents. Led the Corvin Köz, part of the rebel military after Pál Maléter. He hated his more communist friendly allies, like Maléter Pál, but cooperated with the nevertheless. I didn't find any specific antismeite or Nazi Germany supporting viewpoints, however he founded the Jobbik party which was undeniably a far-right party in the mid 2000s.
As you can see this leadership groups was pretty varied, but it definitely had way more socialist or communist friendly participants than possible fascists. It would be foolish to label the entire revolution led by fascists only on 1 possible fascist out of the 11 definitely non-fascists and primarily socialist leaders.
>Downplaying the infestation of anti-semitic pograms described as especially bad in Hungary. The “freedom fighters” restarted the pograms, and would mark the homes of Jews with black crosses, for nightly executions by the fascists. The fact of the matter is that the counter-revolutionary moment was starting and facilitating pograms, while the communists had stopped them.
Any antisemite killing is vile, but it is important to distunqish if these were systematically planted by XYZ governments, or these were more individual and isolated cases by crazy antisemite individuals. I can also forge that the russian civil war was lead by fascists if I want to, because some sources claims the jews were persecuted in XYZ places by individuals from the Red Army.
But lets go back on Aptheker more then and his book. It is important to know that Aptheker was a soviet apologist communist in the american Communist Party, where this publishment exiled him from said party, which can imply huge bias (as you may call it, a think tank book). Ofc this goes to the other way too. I wouldn't trust a published book made by a nazi or a far-right article made by Orban, but valuable facts can possibly still be present in these if we can verify it.
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>Your source confirms that MI6 aided the fascists. The west took advantage of far-right elements and aided them, they didn’t invent new far-right elements.
These claims didn't get any verifications, so it either happened or not. This seems to be why this claim didn't get much popularity in non-communist cirlces, and with independent historians. If true, they were only able to make modest help, all the insurgencies made in all towns and cities were grass-roots movements. It's either wishful thinking or a heavy bias if one wants to believe in unverified claims.
>CIA propaganda outlets like Radio Free Europe stoked grassroots resentment against the communists, combined with MI6 training and arming former members of the Arrow Cross Party.
The CIA indeed broadcasted the Radio Free Europe, [but only after they got surprised when the revolution has happened](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Hungary). It is important to note that foreign involvement only supported the revolution, and didn't organize it or were physically involved with a bunch of troops such as the USA in the Vietnam war, and the [USSR in the Afghan war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War)
If you are commenting these to undermine the 1956 revolution, then we can also undermine all the insurgencies / revolutions / civil wars if any foreign involvement got into it, even if it was mainly / only by broadcasting radio signals, [like these soviet attempts in regime changes or upholding them](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_involvement_in_regime_change), or [american attempts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change).
The claims of the Arrow Cross Party being involved in 1956 [was a propaganda campaign made on false allegations by János Kádár.](https://books.openedition.org/ceup/1598?lang=en#bodyftn1). [This is the source which contains his speeches where Kádár tried to legitimize his regime found on page 460.](https://dokumen.pub/qdownload/the-1956-hungarian-revolution-a-history-in-documents-9789633863862.html) He (rightfully) executed Mihaly Francia Kiss, a former White Terror member probably as a legitimization of his propaganda, [but there is no mention of him being involved in the 1956 uprising](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francia_Kiss_Mih%C3%A1ly). [Not in here either.](http://konfliktuskutato.hu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=285%3Ahungarian-extremists-the-arrow-cross-movement&catid=36%3Aenglish). Kádár never provided proof for these involved Arrow Cross Party members.
Any former Cross Party shadow power [was neutered by ÁVH's action in finding political enemies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Protection_Authority#%3A%7E%3Atext=from+1945+to+1956%2Cpolitical+criminals.). Also in 1944-45, [these nazi scums were executed as well](https://portal.ehri-project.eu/units/us-005578-irn595052). You can only stay on this belief, if you assume that the ÁVH was ineffective at this mission.
>This strategy of taking existing levers and massively tilting the scales and facilitating them, forcing more radical action, is the way color revolutions typically play out.
So your source says "A colour revolution is a term given to a revolution that appears to be led by the proletariat in search of liberal ideals, but is actually coordinated and funded by imperialist interests. ", and the definition for imperialism saying "It is a global system of economic, political, and military domination, with the imperialist powers using a variety of means, including economic sanctions, military interventions, and cultural influence to maintain their dominance over other nations. " by conveniently saying the non-capitalist can't be imperialist. [Cambridge](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/imperialism) and [Wiki includes every ideology too.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism).
Going by this definition the Rakosi led puppet communist party [using proletariat-led like slogans](https://www.xxszazadintezet.hu/a-manipulacio-muveszete-plakatok-a-rakosi-rendszerben/) and campaigns [which won with the blue ballot election fraud with USSR involvement](https://www.parlament.hu/en/web/orszaggyulesi-muzeum/koalicio-kekcedula), [common people being exiled to Gulags who dared question the regime](https://www.kommunizmusbunei.hu/publikaciok/allando-szakertoink/31-horvath-attila/21-horvath-attila-kitelepitesek-es-deportalasok-a-rakosi-korszakban) and instilling fear via ÁVH, forcing all the eastern bloc countries into the Warsaw Pact, etc. seems pretty imperialistic to me, or an oppressor. Same deal.
>Reality aligns with the communists, any honest journalist would be found guilty of such bias. Anna Louise Strong was also punished for honestly reporting on the socialist sphere as a Statesian. The CIA and US State Department find it unacceptable when journalists report positively or sympathetically towards communists and socialists, and pull various levers to silence them.
Fair enough, even if these said journalists are extremely biased, or going against the establishment (rightfully), a healthy government shouldn't exile or silence people and their media. Let people have all the free informations they can get. Unfortunately a lot of countries silenced media, like the banned communist books in the USA, [Stalin removing any journal, article he doesn't like, and only allowing movies which aligns with the USSR's interests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Soviet_Union#Soviet_censorship_of_film). Well these are media, but reality also aligned with non-communists, by [showing the truths about Gulags, but Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was exiled there by the USSR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn#%3A%7E%3Atext=a+Soviet%2Cprison+system). Others: Osip Mandelstam (prison camp), Isaak Babel (executed), Lina Shtern (exiled), etc. Subsequently all the other satellite stated used massive censorship too. by PrivateNoob @lemmy.ml reason: Rule 1
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