Egyptians: Personally, overall I think Eggy is top of the civ groups as a whole Set's free animal spawns: food-heavy animals replaced with combat animals (disagree - I haven't seen issues with Set getting flooded, and i would personally like to just make animals to hunt wherever the pharaoh is (way more valuable), maybe reducing their favor cost slightly across the board) Set monument discount effect: -5% -> -10% (agree) Isis monument god power blocking radius: 25 -> 30 (agree) Serpents now controllable (agree) Serpent bonus vs Villagers: x0.1 -> none (agree) Serpent damage: 5 -> 9 (agree) Siege tower crush armor: 60% -> 75% (agree) Mercenary HP degradation: -2.5/s -> -1/s (agree) Mercenary train time: 1s -> 2s (agree) Mercenary Cavalry HP degradation: -4/s -> -2/s (agree) Mercenary Cavalry train time: 2s -> 3s (agree) Migdol Stronghold arrow damage: 8 -> 9 (agree) Locust Swarm recast cost: 75 -> 100 (agree) Roc HP: 600 -> 350 (agree) Roc speed: 5 -> 4.3 (agree) Roc cost: 150 gold, 5 favor -> 250 gold, 20 favor (agree) Roc can perform hot pickups, landing ability removed (agree) Sun-dried Mud Brick build time effect: -25% -> -10% (that's a hefty cut, maybe somewhere in the middle. I know this is supposed to compensate for the buffs above, but I think this tech specifically is really needed with the pop limits and build time buffs of other civs) Citadel CD: 30s -> 180s (disagree kind of - this might need to be higher even more since it's a population and recast thing. That or make it more expensive. 3 citadels by 10ish minutes is kind of broken) Ancestors recast cost: 100 -> 75 favor (agree) Scorpion Man HP: 500 -> 600 (agree) Nebty: now affects Son of Osiris (agree) Phoenix hack damage: 40 -> 60 (disagree - instead of hack I'd like to see even more crush/speed, make it a building/tc myth) Phoenix egg hatch time: 60s -> 30s (agree) My suggestions: Reduce eclipse from 80 seconds to 60 seconds. This is a very powerful classical age GP already, 80 seconds is kind of insane with all that it gives you. Shifting sands is way too cheap to recast. Instead of 20 per recast, it should be 50 per recast. Honestly a CD increase on this as well (it basically costs you favor for 2 myth units if you take my suggestion to shift every 3 minutes, that's insane. Fixing this should fix the set abuse, and give ra a slight nerf that it needs) Reduce range slightly of Petsuchos. They're very hard to see because of their size and kill within a ranged army. Just 180 CD change to Citadel is not good enough. It's only 100 and 150 favor for your 2nd and 3rd. Like i said above, something more needs done with citadel, even at 180s it's broken. Expand scarab divine dmg range when killed Tone down mummy some, they're amazing vs Greek, Norse. Make Tornado recast on par with SoO recast and change from +5 to +50. Greatest of fifty brought down from 30% to 25% Tusks of Apedemak war elephant population reduction removed and change dmg and cost parts to 15%. The other tech already provides thoth with 50% and 100% train time increase for Isis and Set.

Affirmative on all of you're replies. Suggestions for Greek: Reduce Manticore favor cost, even with the change to medusa you mentioned they're equal Hydra Buff? Pestilence probably needs the radius as what you said and also a tad more expensive on recasts. One of the techs for Ares needs tapered down, the minor is just too good. Either divine blood or golden apples needs nerfed slightly, aphro having both of those as well as a buffed curse would make her too good. I like the buffed curse, so i would combat that with a nerf to one of the two techs if i were you. Shafts of plague is probably too good

Thank you for the suggestions and list Naka! I'll be playing devils advocate on some of these things, not that i necessarily agree with something. Reasons for a balance mod: I've heard a lot of chatter from the main dozen or so people that play about not wanting a DM patch because it might divide the community. Personally, I don't agree with this, you can always play off patch if you want including ranked. But, it would suck having the most competitive patch be something that is not playable on the ladder. Personally i don't see the mode as being too hyper aggressive right now. That could be a playstyle thing from me. I'm sure my average game vs top 40 people as a whole all together is about 20 minutes. I'm also not sure about Greek dominance in regards to factions. I think Eggy as a whole is better right now, with Greek slightly behind. Norse needs some help as well as Atty a small amount. Santa List Item: I know it's probably later down the pipeline, but mirrored maps. General: Tower damage: 4->5 (I could see this being higher still) Repair rates: -20% (agree) Relics not affecting DM removed (agree) Mirrored maps implemented for the following DM map set: Alfheim, Blue Lagoon, Elysium, Erebus, Marsh, Megalopolis, Savannah, Tundra (this will be a slower process) (I think there are 4-5 more maps that are great that should in there, Giza etc.) Greek: Sentinel recast cost: 50 -> 30 favor (agree) Bolt recast cost: 55 -> 40 favor (disagree, we need to be careful about creating a complete anti Set god) Pestilence radius: 50 -> 40 (what was the old radius, i feel like even this is not enough of a reduction) Curse recast cost: 125 -> 80 favor (i would rather see the total amount of hitpoints converted go up then a reduction in favor) Fortress arrow damage: 9 -> 10 (think it can be higher) Polyphemus crush dmg: 15 -> 25 (agree) Bellerophon HP: 500 -> 450 (disagree, again we need to be careful about nerfing greek hero's - they're the only civ group that has a limited amount to fight myth with) Medusa cost: 250 wood 23 favor-> 300 wood 25 favor (disagree, make medusa cost 300 gold - and keep the current favor cost) Medusa pierce armor: 70% -> 60% (agree) Face of the Gorgon range buff on Medusa: 5 -> 4 (agree) Argive Patronage Myrmidon auto-train time: 40s -> 60s (agree, but heph still needs buffed more to put people to a decision) Colossus favor cost: 35 -> 30 (be careful here, with hades and pose that's fine, but zeus myth is -1 population and zeus gains 20% more favor - this is a recipe for people to spam them ESO style. I'd like to see them cost more if we're going to do this) I will finish my input in the next few days on the other civ groups, and things I've noticed.

I think that was copy pasted from sup format tourney?

Here's mine in order! Group 3-4 are definitely the hardest to predict. Group 1: 1. Naka 2.Striker 3.Strauss 4.Orney Group 2: 1. Yoshii 2. Pheno 3. Legend 4. Vision Group 3: 1. Houdini 2. Jedi 3. Quetz 4. AD Group 4: 1. GanG 2. Ryuk 3. Westernlong 4. JuJu

I was between those two too.

The rust is strong with this one!

Who is the dark horse in this years league season?

NA RISE