Feyd

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Feyd ,

Let's just pretend nothing after MySpace ever happened

Feyd ,

They also mindlessly broadcast whatever lies the CEOs of the big tech company's are telling. Do you complain about that pattern too? No? You just don't like anything negative about AI? Interesting.

Feyd ,

Private repos, if you don't need a forge, can easily be pushed to a VPS with ssh

Feyd , (edited )

The fang companies that are in on the llm hype are still lighting money on fire in their llm endeavors so I fail to see how the point that they may be otherwise profitable is relevant.

Feyd ,

I've seen this argument way to often and it is completely pointless. The argument that this will succeed because something in the past succeeded is exactly the same as arguing it will fail because something in the past failed.

If you want to draw the conclusion that they're similar enough to use history in prediction, you'll have to show that they're similar and make a case for why those similarities are relevant.

I haven't seen anyone making this argument bother with this exercise, but I have seen people that actually look at the economics discuss why they're different animals.

There is also the tech itself.

  1. internet - connect everything together across vast distances. Obvious limitless possibilities.

  2. smart phones (you didn't mention here but this is the other one people use for this argument most frequently) - Anything a computer can do in the palm of your hand.

  3. llms - can do some powerful stuff like rifle through and summarize text, or generate text, or generate code... Except you can't really trust it to do any of these things accurately, and that is a fundamental aspect of how the technology works rather than something that can be fixed, so it can't be used responsibly for anything critical.

Feyd ,

I'm aware of machine learning being used in all kinds of science, but it is not llms and therefore not the topic of discussion here.

Feyd ,

We’re only a few years off from platform-agnostic local inference at mass-market prices.

What makes you confident in that? What will change?

Feyd ,

For business use, laptops without powerful graphics cards have been the norm for quite some time. Do you see businesses deciding to change to desktops to accommodate the power for local models? I think it's pretty optimistic to think that laptops are going to be that powerful in the next 5 years. The advancement in chip capability has dramatically slowed, and to put them in laptops they'd need to be incredibly more power efficient as well.

Feyd ,

A transformer model isn't always an llm, nor does a type of algorithm/data model/whatever being useful for one purpose mean it is equally useful for all other purposes.

Feyd ,

Why do you think it will happen? Who were those "predictions" from? I'm guessing CEOs of "AI" companies AKA serial liars.

Feyd ,

It's interesting that the media sites that historically steered clear of economics are starting to talk about it (this is not a new revelation)

Feyd ,

Our data centers now consume more power than small cities. While China expands its energy production through whatever source is expedient, we face permitting delays and political scaremongering.

Deregulate, deregulate, deregulate. No thanks we need real environmental regulation not even less.

Feyd ,

It helps that the media propagates everything he says as if it is truth when he's obviously lying like 80% of the time.

Feyd ,

Are you trying to say that making a series of http requests to view a website is even remotely equivalent in energy usage compared to running inference with an llm model???

Feyd ,

Someone using a lightbulb isn't a hypocrite if they say it is irresponsible to use the resources to power a computer, and someone using the internet isn't a hypocrite if they say the absurdly higher resource usage of llm inference is irresponsible.

You can call people hypocrites all day if you pretend that scale isn't a concept, but you're obviously wrong.

Feyd ,

Saying you're right over and over again without having a logical reason doesn't make you right lol

Feyd ,

No. Quit letting the far right edgelords do whatever they want with culture.

Feyd ,

The entire answer is "propaganda"

Feyd ,

The missing piece here is that people have issues to troubleshoot with windows all the time. The narrative that windows has no problems and Linux does is dishonest from the start.

Edit: the real "not for normies" aspect is installing an operating system from scratch in the first place rather than getting one that is already in a stable configuration out of the box.

Feyd ,

Don't be dense. That is obviously the heavily implied subtext to these arguments.

Feyd ,

And what software they need/want to use. I would prefer people use alternatives to software that only runs in windows (or is difficult to get working in wine), but you can't really fault someone for that one sticky program that want to use. (Or have official support for in a business environment)

Feyd ,

No u lol

Feyd ,

Not really. None of what has been going on with transformer models has been anything but hyper scaling. It's not really making fundamental advances in technology it's that they decided what they had at the scale they had makes convincing enough demos that the scam could start.

Feyd ,

Believe it or not I can complain about more than one thing at a time.

Feyd ,

There are people who both get llm summaries of their emails and get llm to rewrite what they send. It's amazing that anyone can't see how incredibly stupid it is

Feyd , (edited )

I've always been under the impression that the little grey supporting text being little and grey is because the designer didn't want it read but was required to put it somewhere. A dark pattern, if you will. Is it actually not intended that way?

Feyd ,

I feel like these headlines are designed to be way scarier than the scenarios actually are to people that don't know much about Arch Linux.

Feyd ,

Just tell them to read the arch wiki page on AUR and take it seriously, IMO

Feyd ,

Oh no not the shareholders!

Feyd ,

Same thing as when CEO salaries for publicly traded companies became public 📈

Feyd ,

That's cool and all, but the plan is to buy their way in by running at a massive loss then enshittify. Rather, even if that is not the current plan (it probably is), it will inevitably become the plan because it is a publicly traded company.

Feyd ,

I don't think steam is perfect, but they have shown over the years they will go above and beyond to make a good experience for the consumer, including tagging all kinds of negative things on games such as specific DRMs and drastically advancing the ability to run windows games on Linux

No publicly traded company will ever develop that kind of track record even if you give it a chance.

Feyd ,

Even outside of the performance problems, it's become clear the pattern is to release the base game which is ok, then eventually release an expansion that makes it feel like a complete experience. A lot of people that started with world or rise are just going to hold off for the expansion

Feyd ,

A lot of internet denizens go out of their way to highlight every misstep firefox has like it is fatal and downplay all of it's positives, even to the point of suggesting the usage of chromium derivitives.

Feyd ,

Even if I ignored everything about the entire ecosystem, just the fact I can use ublock origin in firefox mobile is reason enough to choose it over chrome

Feyd ,

If we're holding grudges along religious and ethnic lines literally forever there will never be peace until one group has destroyed all the others. I hope that's not the fate of humanity.

Feyd ,

As a long time regular player of jrpgs, I was pretty skeptical of all the people I know that don't play them talking up expedition 33, but yeah it is really that good.

Feyd ,

That they don't know how it works is a lie. The mysticism and anthropomorphization is purposeful marketing. Pretending they don't know how it works also lets them pretend that the fact they constantly lie is something that can be fixed rather than a fundamental aspect of the technology

Feyd ,

That is my entire problem with llms and llm based tools. I get especially salty when someone sends me output from one and I confirm it's lying in 2 minutes.

Feyd ,

You can do unit conversions with powertoys on windows, spotlight on mac and whatever they call the nifty search bar on various Linux desktop environments without even hitting the internet with exactly the same convenience as an llm. Doing discrete things like that with an llm inference is the most inefficient and stupid way to do them.

Feyd , (edited )

They weren't though. You put stuff in the search bar and it detected you were asking about unit conversion and gave you an answer, without ever involving an llm. Are you being dense on purpose?

Feyd ,

Yet there are countless examples of webmasters alleviating traffic that is crushing their sites by deploying this solution. The reasoning is up in the air, but the effectiveness is there.

Feyd ,

I see this as an absolute win

Feyd ,

Does the government even have a need for general LLMs?

Will this stop them from spending our hard earned tax money on it?

Feyd ,

Oh great another centralized repository of data about people (uploaded without their knowledge or consent in the case of the men) that definitely won't be abused by bad actors

Feyd ,

Oooooooooof

Feyd ,

Usually the reason we want people to stop calling LLMs AI is because there has been a giant marketing machine constructed designed to (and successfully) tricking laymen into believing that LLMs are adjacent to and one tiny breakthrough away from becoming AGI.

From another angle, your statement that AI is not a specific term is correct. Why, then, should we keep using it in common parlance when it just serves to confuse laymen? Let's just use the more specific terms.

Feyd ,

Yes. I am getting so sick and tired of people asking me for help then proceeding to rain unhelpful suggestions from their LLM upon me while I'm trying to think through their problem. You wouldn't be asking for help if that stuff was helping you!