What anti-imperialist causes is China supporting in any significant manner, besides just improving its own productive forces? Cuba is about to be destroyed through sanctions, Venezuela just had a coup orchestrated by the hegemon, one that China probably did nothing to intervene in. What exactly is China doing besides profiting from all sides?
I swear you people just really want to start WW3 out of nowhere and it's driving me crazy
Imagine if we held all parties to the same standard we hold China wrt this genocide
Go and grab a gun and fight for the Palestinian resistance otherwise stfu I swear to god. Trade isn't support! Trading with the entity is no worse than trading with the US itself.
Cuba is building up its solar energy infrastructure and is able to do so purely because of the existence of China. The global south is able to develop past neocolonial condemned poor development solely because of the USSR and now China. They are fulfilling an important role even if you personally would rather see a few million Chinese people die for the cause.
LOL when you resort to dogshit arguments like this. Comparing 1 guy in living in the West vs the 2nd largest super power in the world. Get a grip. China does nothing cause all they care about is themselves and they don't care how much they have to trade with an entity that kills babies for fun to get there.
sorry, you’re right, the biggest opposition to the Western empire and capital should come from the destitute poor in the imperial core who are actively being hunted down by cops and ICE. Incredible vision for the future, sorry Palestine
Yeah the PRC just popped into existence and was never poor and destitute and being hunted by fascists you're right we shouldn't do anything and if the Chinese don't sacrifice themselves by the millions they are the reason why everyone around the world suffers.
So we can agree that sanctioning and blockading countries is effectively an act of war when the US and its vassals do it but if China were to do it, no one on the international diplomatic stage would care at all and would let it slide with no reprisals.
You have not thought this through. At all. It is pathetic.
sanctioning and blockading countries is effectively an act of war when the US and its vassals do it
no one on the international diplomatic stage cares at all and lets it slide with few reprisals.
If any sort of trade blockade against Israel would result in immediate global hellfire, there is simply no avenue for China to maneuver in its non-interventionist policy because the former result will happen anyways. If that’s how dire things are, China will be involved in WWIiI soon whether it likes it or not.
Exerting influence through these economic levers is just something the Chinese leadership isnt going to do - they are drawing off lessons learned from the USSR's collapse. The diplomatic position remains anti-colonial.
My dude, CIA assets embedded in China are going to start blowing up Chinese bridges and power plants from within if China actually boycotts the Zionist entity because the boycott would be an act of war that would demand a response from the enemy. Since China is already an economic superpower, they would wage war through noneconomic means, first with sabotage and cyberwarfare before escalating to proxy wars and eventually direct kinetic warfare. Iran has launched cruise missiles at the Zionist entity, and for that, they have to go through two attempts at regime change, one while the war officially commenced and one that just recently passed with the failed color revolution attempt, both of which were incredibly violent, as in "protestors" with full auto rifles firing at crowds along with sabotage like burning down mosques and attempts at storming military bases.
Can China be condemned for not being willing to pay the human cost for the sake of liberating Palestine? For someone living in Yemen or Iran or Lebanon, who live in a society that have already offered martyrs for the sake of Palestine, yes they're justified in condemning China for not willing to offer martyrs of their own although I doubt they would agree to shipping Yemeni/Iranian/Lebanese troops to China for the sake of fighting Chinese border disputes. But for Westerners, including an Aussie sexpat holed up in Argentina, who have not only not offered martyrs but have collectively sustains the Zionist entity in the first place, not so much.
Yes, unironically - do you expect Palestinians to swim across the ocean to come clean up the mess that your people is causing? Its the US thats bombing them!
Well, the reality is that US capital is bombing Palestine, and that the people responsible for stopping them, the oppressed in the imperial ore are or have been rendered fucking useless.
Just like literally every country that has experienced revolution, yes. You think the commies in 1917 russia where not hunted down before they won? Feudal China fucking loved the commies, everyone knows that of course. The commies famously had a great and easy revolution in germany as well and the police just let them be.
Zero thought behind that reply and clearly just written in order to try to affirm your anti-china bias.
Imagine if we held all parties to the same standard we hold China wrt this genocide
But we do. Nobody criticizes any country for trading with the US despite the US being more heinous than the Zionist entity. It's not comparable if you consider its entire history or the fact that the Zionist entity is a military, economic, intelligence, and somewhat political extension of the US anyways.
Nobody who hasn't fallen for NATO talking points criticizes the Soviet Union trading with fascist Germany while the non-aggression pact was in effect and nobody criticizes the Soviet Union for trading with fascist Japan while the other non-aggression pact was in effect.
Nobody who hasn't fallen for NATO talking points criticizes the Soviet Union trading with fascist Germany while the non-aggression pact was in effect and nobody criticizes the Soviet Union for trading with fascist Japan while the other non-aggression pact was in effect.
That's a very good point, but the difference I see is that Israel and China are nowhere near economic peers. A boycott would devastate Israel and China would barely feel a thing from the loss in trade.
the Zionist entity is a military, economic, intelligence, and somewhat political extension of the US anyways.
There's no such thing as an independent boycott of the Zionist entity especially since the Zionist entity is completely reliant on the US anyways. If anything, the real cynical kabuki theatre pro-wrestling move would be to partially boycott the Zionist entity while simultaneously increase trade with the US with the understanding that the US would use the increase in traded commodities to further subsidize the Zionist entity and fill in the holes left by the "boycott."
The only real way to economically hurt the Zionist entity is to hurt the Zionist entity's master. Notice how a lot of countries that have no economic ties to the Zionist entity like the DPRK also don't have economic ties with the US either. Because the US is very willing to subsidize the Zionist entity and because the US has a much bigger economy than the Zionist entity's, a complete boycott the Zionist entity is essentially just a partial boycott of the US and the Zionist entity. For various reasons, China is not ready to wage economic warfare in so open a fashion against the US.
A boycott could work if the US vassal is unimportant enough that the US would rather leave them to their fate than save them. If China boycotts an expendable US vassal and the US refuses to save them, it could open up opportunities for the US compradors in charge to be overthrown, ideally by anti-imperialist forces. However, this is 100% untrue for the Zionist entity, which is probably the US's most valuable vassal to the point where it's not even a vassal anymore since the Israeli political class is completely self-aware of the settler-colony's value in destroying WANA unity among many other things.
What anti-imperialist causes is China supporting in any significant manner, besides just improving its own productive forces? Cuba is about to be destroyed through sanctions, Venezuela just had a coup orchestrated by the hegemon, one that China probably did nothing to intervene in. What exactly is China doing besides profiting from all sides?
North Korea? Did the entire Korean war just go over your head?
The implicit threat from America has always been that if China starts exerting influence over Palestine, they will escalate North Korea - China is still technically at war with the US over this, peace was never agreed.
‘They’re actually sweating profusely and waiting to hit the big communism button’ is really not convincing
Literally no one said that and you made that up completely. They are supporting anti-imperialist causes on the globe just like Russia and the DPRK.
I swear you people just really want to start WW3 out of nowhere and it's driving me crazy
What anti-imperialist causes is China supporting in any significant manner, besides just improving its own productive forces? Cuba is about to be destroyed through sanctions, Venezuela just had a coup orchestrated by the hegemon, one that China probably did nothing to intervene in. What exactly is China doing besides profiting from all sides?
Imagine if we held all parties to the same standard we hold China wrt this genocide
Go and grab a gun and fight for the Palestinian resistance otherwise stfu I swear to god. Trade isn't support! Trading with the entity is no worse than trading with the US itself.
Cuba is building up its solar energy infrastructure and is able to do so purely because of the existence of China. The global south is able to develop past neocolonial condemned poor development solely because of the USSR and now China. They are fulfilling an important role even if you personally would rather see a few million Chinese people die for the cause.
LOL when you resort to dogshit arguments like this. Comparing 1 guy in living in the West vs the 2nd largest super power in the world. Get a grip. China does nothing cause all they care about is themselves and they don't care how much they have to trade with an entity that kills babies for fun to get there.
sorry, you’re right, the biggest opposition to the Western empire and capital should come from the destitute poor in the imperial core who are actively being hunted down by cops and ICE. Incredible vision for the future, sorry Palestine
Yeah the PRC just popped into existence and was never poor and destitute and being hunted by fascists you're right we shouldn't do anything and if the Chinese don't sacrifice themselves by the millions they are the reason why everyone around the world suffers.
Entitled, pathetic behaviour.
Literally noone fucking argued that Chinese people must die to stop this
So we can agree that sanctioning and blockading countries is effectively an act of war when the US and its vassals do it but if China were to do it, no one on the international diplomatic stage would care at all and would let it slide with no reprisals.
You have not thought this through. At all. It is pathetic.
no one on the international diplomatic stage cares at all and lets it slide with few reprisals.
If any sort of trade blockade against Israel would result in immediate global hellfire, there is simply no avenue for China to maneuver in its non-interventionist policy because the former result will happen anyways. If that’s how dire things are, China will be involved in WWIiI soon whether it likes it or not.
Exerting influence through these economic levers is just something the Chinese leadership isnt going to do - they are drawing off lessons learned from the USSR's collapse. The diplomatic position remains anti-colonial.
My dude, CIA assets embedded in China are going to start blowing up Chinese bridges and power plants from within if China actually boycotts the Zionist entity because the boycott would be an act of war that would demand a response from the enemy. Since China is already an economic superpower, they would wage war through noneconomic means, first with sabotage and cyberwarfare before escalating to proxy wars and eventually direct kinetic warfare. Iran has launched cruise missiles at the Zionist entity, and for that, they have to go through two attempts at regime change, one while the war officially commenced and one that just recently passed with the failed color revolution attempt, both of which were incredibly violent, as in "protestors" with full auto rifles firing at crowds along with sabotage like burning down mosques and attempts at storming military bases.
Can China be condemned for not being willing to pay the human cost for the sake of liberating Palestine? For someone living in Yemen or Iran or Lebanon, who live in a society that have already offered martyrs for the sake of Palestine, yes they're justified in condemning China for not willing to offer martyrs of their own although I doubt they would agree to shipping Yemeni/Iranian/Lebanese troops to China for the sake of fighting Chinese border disputes. But for Westerners, including an Aussie sexpat holed up in Argentina, who have not only not offered martyrs but have collectively sustains the Zionist entity in the first place, not so much.
time to read Settlers.
Yes, unironically - do you expect Palestinians to swim across the ocean to come clean up the mess that your people is causing? Its the US thats bombing them!
Well, the reality is that US capital is bombing Palestine, and that the people responsible for stopping them, the oppressed in the imperial ore are or have been rendered fucking useless.
I guess Palestine was fucked from the beginning.
It might feel useless but its not useless, keep working for it.
Palestine needs saving now
Just like literally every country that has experienced revolution, yes. You think the commies in 1917 russia where not hunted down before they won? Feudal China fucking loved the commies, everyone knows that of course. The commies famously had a great and easy revolution in germany as well and the police just let them be.
Zero thought behind that reply and clearly just written in order to try to affirm your anti-china bias.
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But we do. Nobody criticizes any country for trading with the US despite the US being more heinous than the Zionist entity. It's not comparable if you consider its entire history or the fact that the Zionist entity is a military, economic, intelligence, and somewhat political extension of the US anyways.
Nobody who hasn't fallen for NATO talking points criticizes the Soviet Union trading with fascist Germany while the non-aggression pact was in effect and nobody criticizes the Soviet Union for trading with fascist Japan while the other non-aggression pact was in effect.
That's a very good point, but the difference I see is that Israel and China are nowhere near economic peers. A boycott would devastate Israel and China would barely feel a thing from the loss in trade.
There's no such thing as an independent boycott of the Zionist entity especially since the Zionist entity is completely reliant on the US anyways. If anything, the real cynical kabuki theatre pro-wrestling move would be to partially boycott the Zionist entity while simultaneously increase trade with the US with the understanding that the US would use the increase in traded commodities to further subsidize the Zionist entity and fill in the holes left by the "boycott."
The only real way to economically hurt the Zionist entity is to hurt the Zionist entity's master. Notice how a lot of countries that have no economic ties to the Zionist entity like the DPRK also don't have economic ties with the US either. Because the US is very willing to subsidize the Zionist entity and because the US has a much bigger economy than the Zionist entity's, a complete boycott the Zionist entity is essentially just a partial boycott of the US and the Zionist entity. For various reasons, China is not ready to wage economic warfare in so open a fashion against the US.
A boycott could work if the US vassal is unimportant enough that the US would rather leave them to their fate than save them. If China boycotts an expendable US vassal and the US refuses to save them, it could open up opportunities for the US compradors in charge to be overthrown, ideally by anti-imperialist forces. However, this is 100% untrue for the Zionist entity, which is probably the US's most valuable vassal to the point where it's not even a vassal anymore since the Israeli political class is completely self-aware of the settler-colony's value in destroying WANA unity among many other things.
North Korea? Did the entire Korean war just go over your head?
The implicit threat from America has always been that if China starts exerting influence over Palestine, they will escalate North Korea - China is still technically at war with the US over this, peace was never agreed.
I honestly don't know what you mean by this.