When your allegory for fascists is a core pillar of fascist ideology (the ontologically evil race that can be righteously exterminated), your message is going to get muddled.
Yeah i think thats the issue with giving demons human forms here. If the demons were just talking non humanoid monsters or shapeshifters or explicitly nonhuman constructs it wouldnt be such a shit analogy.
Yeah, same. I genuinely thought people were doing a bit at first when I started seeing the "uhm ackshully the demons are innocent little babies" stuff lmao
The argument being made has nothing to do with whether the demons are evil within the context of the fiction and everything to do with the ideology with which the concept of an inherently evil racial enemy aligns.
If you make it as literal and obvious that there is zero shadow of doubt, then sure. Like make Frieren a literal communist who says she's a communist while wearing a red cape thats held on with a ham-sic brooch while exploding demons dressed like nazis or wearing Klan hoods, etc. Otherwise any sort of layer of depth allows for the viewer to apply their own worldview to what they're seeing instead of whatever the artist's intent may be.
Yeah, a lot of what makes the Demons evil is the same stuff that makes real fascists and colonizers evil. Killing the baby parallels the very real practice of revolutionaries killing entire Royal families, even children, because they're inherently dangerous.
Having not watched it & after noping out of the internet for several hours after reading some of the responses in the linked thread, what is it about the show that lets some people interpret the demons as white colonizers while others see them as various marginalized groups?
There's a scene where a guy takes pity on a baby demon and decides to raise it in a human village but then the baby demon goes on to kill a bunch of people because it is an inherently evil creature and so not killing the baby demon was sentimental foolishness.
This is such a common fascist idea that, as seen in the tweet, they have a term for it - "suicidal empathy."
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The demons in the show are white colonizers
Seriously i thought that was the obvious part. The demons are an an allegory for fascists if we were to say they represented any people at all.
When your allegory for fascists is a core pillar of fascist ideology (the ontologically evil race that can be righteously exterminated), your message is going to get muddled.
Yeah i think thats the issue with giving demons human forms here. If the demons were just talking non humanoid monsters or shapeshifters or explicitly nonhuman constructs it wouldnt be such a shit analogy.
Yeah, same. I genuinely thought people were doing a bit at first when I started seeing the "uhm ackshully the demons are innocent little babies" stuff lmao
The argument being made has nothing to do with whether the demons are evil within the context of the fiction and everything to do with the ideology with which the concept of an inherently evil racial enemy aligns.
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If you make it as literal and obvious that there is zero shadow of doubt, then sure. Like make Frieren a literal communist who says she's a communist while wearing a red cape thats held on with a ham-sic brooch while exploding demons dressed like nazis or wearing Klan hoods, etc. Otherwise any sort of layer of depth allows for the viewer to apply their own worldview to what they're seeing instead of whatever the artist's intent may be.
And the white colonizers in real life are demons. Symmetry!
Yeah, a lot of what makes the Demons evil is the same stuff that makes real fascists and colonizers evil. Killing the baby parallels the very real practice of revolutionaries killing entire Royal families, even children, because they're inherently dangerous.
Having not watched it & after noping out of the internet for several hours after reading some of the responses in the linked thread, what is it about the show that lets some people interpret the demons as white colonizers while others see them as various marginalized groups?
There's a scene where a guy takes pity on a baby demon and decides to raise it in a human village but then the baby demon goes on to kill a bunch of people because it is an inherently evil creature and so not killing the baby demon was sentimental foolishness.
This is such a common fascist idea that, as seen in the tweet, they have a term for it - "suicidal empathy."
if I made the comparison of demons to zionists I'd be banned instantly