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1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment [She's suing the hospital, and good on her.](https://missouriindependent.com/2024/07/31/missouri-woman-sues-university-of-kansas-hospital-emergency-abortion/) If this goes to trial, precedent will be established either way. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment [Missouri law has a definition of "emergency" here,](https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=431.063) which this situation fits. Also, if I tell my doctor friend Bob not to call 911 unless an emergency is happening, my other friend Tom starts having a seizure he believes is life-threatening, and Bob doesn't call 911, is that my fault or Bob's fault? If hospitals start getting sued en masse for these obvious mistakes, they'll probably be more likely to see reason. This is either a genuine error in reading the law or liability dodging. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment [There have been hundreds of abortions in Missouri alone since the ban, so quite a few, actually.](https://www.kff.org/interactive/womens-health-profiles/missouri/abortion-statistics/) by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment It's either provide the treatment, or people become gravely injured or die. She quite nearly died as a result of the mistreatment. We can't predict juries, but I haven't seen any cases of doctors being arrested and convicted of providing an abortion. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment But the law explicitly says there's an exception for emergencies and there's no guarantee that they'll be charged. [In fact, there have been hundreds of abortions in Missouri alone since the ban.](https://www.kff.org/interactive/womens-health-profiles/missouri/abortion-statistics/) I wasn't able to find any instances of a doctor being criminally charged under these laws, but if you find one, it's in an extreme minority. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment My point is that this isn't some random person stating as much. It's an actual finding by the federal government, and adding to that the lawsuit makes it crystal clear the hospital is in the wrong. If I tell my doctor friend Bob not to call 911 unless there's an emergency, my other friend Tom has a seizure that Bob believes may kill him, and Bob doesn't call 911, is that my fault or Bob's? The fact that numerous abortions have happened in ban states and nobody has been charged so far is evidence that emergency allowances aren't some draconian measure. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment Nobody has been charged so far. If they wanted to make an example of someone, it would have made far more sense to do it around when the law was passed. There's no Machiavellian scheme trying to trap doctors in unwinnable situations, this was an obvious case of medical error. Hundreds of thousands of other similar errors severe enough to cause harm or death happen every year. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment There's no need to second guess. The law is explicit. Furthermore, she had been seen by several hospitals and they all denied her treatment. The situation was exacerbated by their negligence. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment Your opinion matters as much as mine, the HHS secretary said they're in the wrong, and it would have been 100% legal by the letter of the law. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment There were multiple hospitals involved and cited for failing to treat her. One excerpt from one medical report doesn't refute that. The HHS secretary explicitly said that, under the federal EMTALA, hospitals are required to provide emergency care, which they did not. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment Any threat is entirely imagined. Nobody has been prosecuted for this. The law states it is legal. My argument is that either the hospital misunderstood the law in an honest error or they were more interested in covering their own butts than treating a patient in obvious need - in either case, they were wrong and should be held responsible. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment That calculation can change at any time. Since every state with an abortion ban allows for emergency abortions, federal law requires that they be available, and no doctors have been prosecuted for performing an emergency abortion, there is no logical reason to believe this will happen. However, there is now a significant risk of someone suing the hospital if a woman becomes injured or dies. When they realize they can make more money by following the law, this problem will go away. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment How many doctors have been criminally charged for providing an abortion in states that have banned them? Emergency permissions have been in place for as long as abortion restrictions have. If they wanted to remove those restrictions, they would have had every reason to do so when the Dobbs decision came through. Although based on the HHS secretary's words, such a thing would be a violation of federal law. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment Hundreds of thousands of people die every year because of medical errors for any number of reasons. The law doesn't need to be involved for that to happen. Blaming a law which explicitly allows abortions for emergencies, when doctors are already known to make enough fatal errors for hundreds of thousands of people to die every year, makes no sense. This isn't exacerbating an existing issue, their interest in dodging liability is. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment Nobody has been prosecuted for this since Dobbs. Your alleged legal threat is barely even fiction. The lawyers were wrong in this case, and those who judged it legally acceptable to provide emergency abortions in ban states are right. You are ignoring these obvious facts to hold onto the nonsensical belief that these laws are unjust. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment A) These kinds of calculations change all the time. That's why we have other companies that hire and fire people constantly or make other seemingly absurd decisions - the cost and benefit calculations change. There's more money to be made in providing early deliveries, like one doctor said they would, than there is in sending patients (customers) on their way with no treatment and getting sued for it. Based on the hundreds of abortions that have happened in Missouri since the ban clearly other doctors think this is true. B) Allowing abortion in all cases would be a fallacious and nightmarish way to handwave human life as expendable in the name of bodily autonomy. You don't want to kill people unnecessarily, do you? That would make you so callous as to be inhumane. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment It would also be super easy to argue the hospital is at fault given they were cited by the HHS secretary for refusing to provide care required by federal law. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment And now we get to the real issue. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment If the "overzealous rhetoric" had any teeth, any of the doctors who had performed one of the hundreds of abortions in Missouri since Dobbs would have been arrested. They haven't. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Comment They are also caught in the ethical dilemma of "if I don't treat this patient, it is highly likely they'll be gravely injured or die." [Missouri law defines "emergency" elsewhere, and this case fits that bill.](https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=431.063) There was no actual legal impediment here. by the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world reason: Same reason as previous ban.
1 year ago	mod	Banned the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world from the community Leopards Ate My Face@lemmy.world reason: Dozens of comments rife with disinformation and misogyny. These theocratic bills are killing and ruining the lives of innocent women. Stay the hell out; you're not welcome back.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Post Trump's pro-Israel cabinet picks upset Muslims who voted for him reason: Repost of exact same Reuters article from yesterday.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Post Muslim Voters in Michigan Are Starting to Regret Their Choice After Trump Win: ‘Trump is Playing Us reason: Unreliable source (I mean come on, their tagline is "WE ONLY TELL THE TRUTH").
1 year ago	mod	Banned Threeme2189@lemmy.world from the community Leopards Ate My Face@lemmy.world reason: Genocide denial and arguably an ethnic slur.
1 year ago	mod	Removed Post Marco Rubio, Trump's upcoming Secretary of State on Gaza war. reason: Basically anything Trump does is going to be eating someone's face. Stories here need a specific, concrete "I didn't think the leopard would eat my face" story.
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1 year ago	mod	Banned Texas_Hangover@lemy.lol from the community Leopards Ate My Face@lemmy.world reason: LW ToS Rule 1.2 – Hopefully someday you grow out of this, but until then, don't come back.
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1 year ago	mod	Banned CoolBurner@lemmy.world from the community Leopards Ate My Face@lemmy.world reason: User is a right-wing troll who stirs shit wherever they go.
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