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An inside view of the AI revolution, from the people and companies making it happen.

How did we build large language models? How do they think,
if they think? What will the world look like if we have billions of AIs that are as smart as humans, or even smarter?

In a series of in-depth interviews with leading AI researchers and company founders—including Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei, DeepMind cofounder Demis Hassabis, OpenAI cofounder Ilya Sutskever, MIRI cofounder Eliezer Yudkowsky, and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg—Dwarkesh Patel provides the first comprehensive and contemporary portrait of the technology that is transforming our world.

Drawn from his interviews on the
Dwarkesh Podcast, these curated excerpts range from the technical details of how LLMs work to the possibility of an AI takeover or explosive economic growth. Patel’s conversations cut through the noise to explore the topics most compelling to those at the forefront of the field: the power of scaling, the potential for misalignment, the sheer input required for AGI, and the economic and social ramifications of superintelligence. 

The book is also a standalone introduction to the technology. It includes over 170 definitions and visualizations, explanations of technical points made by guests, classic essays on the theme from other writers, and unpublished interviews with Open Philanthropy research analyst Ajeya Cotra and Anthropic cofounder Jared Kaplan. 

The Scaling Era offers readers unprecedented insight into a transformative moment in the development of AI—and a vision of what comes next.

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“Dwarkesh has done a whole series of excellent video interviews with top AI researchers and engineers, and this book is a great distillation of those conversations to help people understand modern AI models, how they are built, where they are headed, and why they are important.”

—Jeff Dean, chief scientist at Google DeepMind and Google Research

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“There’s only one test relevant for an artifact about AI: Would you learn more from reading it than you would from using a newly released LLM for the equivalent amount of time? The Scaling Era handily passes.”

—Patrick McKenzie, author of Bits About Money and host of Complex Systems

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About the author

Dwarkesh Patel is the host of Dwarkesh Podcast, where he produces deeply researched interviews with both obscure intellectuals and the most influential figures of our time.

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Gavin Leech is the cofounder of Arb Research, a consultancy that does empirical work, conceptual work, and forecasting on spec in various fields. He has a PhD in AI.

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“Dwarkesh has done a whole series of excellent video interviews with top AI researchers and engineers, and this book is a great distillation of those conversations to help people understand modern AI models, how they are built, where they are headed, and why they are important.”
—Jeff Dean, chief scientist at Google DeepMind and Google Research

“There’s only one test relevant for an artifact about AI: Would you learn more from reading it than you would from using a newly released LLM for the equivalent amount of time?
The Scaling Era handily passes.”
—Patrick McKenzie, author of Bits About Money and host of Complex Systems

“Dwarkesh’s interviews are full of quotes that will be in history books.”
—Byrne Hobart, investor, consultant, and author of The Diff and Boom

About the Author

Dwarkesh Patel is the host of Dwarkesh Podcast, where he produces deeply researched interviews with both obscure intellectuals and the most influential figures of our time.

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